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Old 10-24-2018, 01:37 PM
 
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I must disagree with the assessment that the coming of Christ precede the tribulation, scripture say different

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Matthew 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

from the begining of sorrows until the end we will be here. Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

well if we who are alive will be here to end then that means no one is leaving before, just as the apostle said, 1 Thessalonians 4:15 "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep".

this is crystal clear.

PICYJAG.
I didn't say that the coming of Jesus to the earth precedes the Tribulation. I said, as per the pre-tribulational view of the rapture, that Jesus will return to the clouds for the church at the rapture before the Tribulation. The church will then be taken up to heaven and will return with Jesus to the earth after the Triblation.
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Old 10-24-2018, 01:37 PM
 
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Christians simply do not understand that Jesus was speaking of the fall holy days because they simply do not know those 7 feasts which are appointed visitation days. It is these visitation days being discussed but Christians don't know the missions of those appointed visitation days because they don't accept the visitstion days of Christ to study them enough to know what Jesus was talking about, and that is a shame because Christians are continuously speaking of those fall holy days and of the great division without any knowledge. They speak of Rosh Hashanah EVERY DAY when they don't even know what Rosh Hashanah is appointed for, and Rosh Hashanah has many names, one of which is called,'' The last Trump,'' and we can watch Christians speaking of the last trump in complete ignorance of what it is appointed for. It's like watching a person speaking of algebra without ever studying math.........And still you can't convince Christians of the fact that they are discussing appointed visitation days that have specific missions to accomplish in all 7 appointed days.

It is such a crazy, crazy thing to watch people speaking of Jewish holy days when they don't have a clue what those days teach, and so they make things up. It would be nice to see a Christian admit the truth of their ignorance of God's 7 appointed visitation days so they might learn, but they wont even admit the truth that they don't know the religion of Jesus and so they continue in ignorance never having read or studied what they are discussing.
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Old 10-24-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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Any reason to think he didn't return and we thought he was crazy and tossed him in the Looney hospital?

Before he "comes back", people have to recognize what they are seeing and that is a tall job these days
And where is it prophesied that the Mashiach will come once, did, resurrect, fly away and then come back a second time according to the Tanakh?...
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Old 10-24-2018, 01:45 PM
 
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Theologians and commentators have various views on which generation 'this generation' refers to. Some, such as D. A. Carson take the position that Jesus was referring to his own generation. I don't agree. Others, such as John F. Walvoord and Charles H. Dyer take the position that Jesus was referring to the future generation that would see the signs of which He had just spoken. This is the view to which I hold.

Quoting Walvoord and Dyer with respect to 'this generation' in Matthew 24:34;
This passage contains two key, controversial phrases: ''this generation'' and ''all these things.'' Determining their meaning will help to unlock Christ's teaching here. Carson is emphatic that Jesus meant His own generation, and states: ''This generation' . . . can only with the greatest difficulty be made to mean anything than the generation living when Jesus spoke''. Noland says that the word consistently refers to a single human generation and adds: All the alternative senses proposed here (the Jewish people; humanity; the generation of the end time signs; wicked people ) are artificial and based on the need to protect Jesus from error.'' The mention of error is based on what some consider to be a misstatement by Christ, since a generation is normally from thirty to one hundred years and obviously, the prophecy of the second coming was not fulfilled in that period -- a charge which MacArthur rightly labels ''spurious.'' A better explanation is to allow the word ''generation'' its normal meaning of a period of thirty to one hundred years. However, rather than referring to His own generation, or being in error, Jesus was pointing to the particular future generation that will see the specific signs of the great tribulation. In other words, the same generation that will experience the great tribulation will also witness the second coming of Christ.

Matthew, John F. Walvoord and Charles H. Dyer, pp. 330-31
After his resurrection, the disciples asked Jesus if it was at this time that He would restore the kingdom to Israel. In reply, Jesus told them that it wasn't for them to know the times and epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority. In saying that, Jesus left open the possibility that a great deal of time might elapse before His return.
Acts 1:6 So when they had come together, they were asking Him, saying, ''Lord, is it at this time You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?'' 7] He said to them, ''It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority.
The age of Israel was put on hold for the calling out of a new people - the Church. Once the Church-age has completed, it will be taken up into heaven and the Tribulation which is the last seven years remaining to the age of Israel will take place. At the end of the Tribulation Jesus will return, physically and visibly, and will establish His kingdom upon the earth.
Where does G-d say that He will call out a new people?...
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Old 10-24-2018, 01:46 PM
 
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Personally, I can't wait to see what is over the horizon, it will change the face of man's ideologies and religion.
Scripture back this up with this marvellous statement. There is no limit it to the whole thing. Trying to contain God to a belief system that is based on what you think the bible says, is the height of folly.


Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
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Old 10-24-2018, 02:10 PM
 
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I didn't say that the coming of Jesus to the earth precedes the Tribulation. I said, as per the pre-tribulational view of the rapture, that Jesus will return to the clouds for the church at the rapture before the Tribulation. The church will then be taken up to heaven and will return with Jesus to the earth after the Triblation.
No problem, #1. there is no rapture as you, and many might describe, it a "GATHERING", so lets get it right. the church will not leave the earth. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

First, the word "AIR". G109 ἀήρ aer (a-eer') n.
“air” (as naturally surrounding).
[from aemi “to breathe unconsciously,” i.e. respire: (by analogy) to blow]
KJV: air
Compare: G5594

NOT ABOVE

and now the word CLOUDS. the term clouds here is nothing but an analogy for a "GATHERING". scripture, Hebrews 12:1 "Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us".

and the phrase "caught up" is only one word, which do not indicate direction as in "up". it simply means to "seize". and as a verb , AND NOT AS A NOUN, it is synonyms with, secure, remove, take away, carry off.

the scripture tells us plainly that the Lord Jesus will Gather all of us together, the righteous dead and the righteous who is alive that endured to the end.

PICYJAG.
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Old 10-24-2018, 02:19 PM
 
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Scoffers and people asking questions trying to understand Truth. Huge difference as this site has many more scoffers
Nobody on this site has any desire in understanding truth, just remaining in the darkness and increasing their own self-condemnation

It was thus an act of mercy for Jesus to teach in Parables
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Old 10-24-2018, 02:20 PM
 
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No problem, #1. there is no rapture as you, and many might describe, it a "GATHERING", so lets get it right. the church will not leave the earth. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

First, the word "AIR". G109 ἀήρ aer (a-eer') n.
“air” (as naturally surrounding).
[from aemi “to breathe unconsciously,” i.e. respire: (by analogy) to blow]
KJV: air
Compare: G5594

NOT ABOVE

and now the word CLOUDS. the term clouds here is nothing but an analogy for a "GATHERING". scripture, Hebrews 12:1 "Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us".

and the phrase "caught up" is only one word, which do not indicate direction as in "up". it simply means to "seize". and as a verb , AND NOT AS A NOUN, it is synonyms with, secure, remove, take away, carry off.

the scripture tells us plainly that the Lord Jesus will Gather all of us together, the righteous dead and the righteous who is alive that endured to the end.

PICYJAG.
I really don't care whether you think there is a rapture or not, wannabe teacher.
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Old 10-24-2018, 02:25 PM
 
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I really don't care whether you think there is a rapture or not, wannabe teacher.
What a BAMF, make sure all your friends see this post so it can up your street cred
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Old 10-24-2018, 02:32 PM
 
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Nobody on this site has any desire in understanding truth, just remaining in the darkness and increasing their own self-condemnation

It was thus an act of mercy for Jesus to teach in Parables.
Does that include yourself?
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