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Old 10-25-2018, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Did you think that Jesus would use the Spirit of Deception to further the Gospel?
I'm sure He wouldn't, nor would I. I did not start this thread in order to "further the Gospel." I started it to announce a three-year experience I'm about to set out on. So chill; it's all good.
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Old 10-25-2018, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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It's been my experience with members of the Church of Latter-day Saints that this "tactic" is often employed in an attempt to begin a conversation, mostly about bringing in other members to the church.
"Tactic"? Suspicious much? Anyone can attend; no one has to. And they know exactly who the classes are sponsored by.

Oh, and by the way, there is no such things as the "Church of Latter-day Saints."
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Old 10-25-2018, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod/Green Valley AZ
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"Tactic"? Suspicious much? Anyone can attend; no one has to. And they know exactly who the classes are sponsored by.

Oh, and by the way, there is no such things as the "Church of Latter-day Saints."
Sensitive much? I was speaking about how members of that faith will use various "ruses" (here we go again) in order to engage people in a discussion about their faith.

I wish you well in your endeavor. Having put 41 years in law enforcement you will, hopefully, soon become aware of the various games the prisoners will be playing in order to benefit themselves. Your experience in prison will be, expanding your horizons.

Rich
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Old 10-25-2018, 12:55 PM
 
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I had the opportunity to talk with inmates from within, as I was jailed for a year for refusing to testify?
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Old 10-25-2018, 01:14 PM
 
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As some of you may know, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ( score one point for me for using the "approved" nomenclature) issues "callings" to its members on a ward (i.e. congregational), a stake (i.e. several groups of congregations) and general church levels. When you are "extended a calling" to serve in a specific position, you may, of course, decline. Most Church members that I know accept every calling that comes their way, believing that the person who issued the calling was inspired to do so. As a kind of an atypical member of the Church, I accept only callings that I think I could enjoy and do a good job at. I haven't had a calling at all for the last couple of years. My husband is currently heading up our ward's Family History (i.e. genealogy) program.

Well, about a hour-and-a-half ago, my husband and I were asked to meet with our Stake President. That would imply that a calling is imminent. Neither of us could imagine what on earth it might be. As it turns out, we were called to serve for the next three years as Sunday School teachers to the inmates at the Salt Lake County Jail. It sounded intriguing, so we accepted.

So, for the next three years, we'll be driving about a half an hour every Sunday to the jail, where we'll be teaching inmates in the minimum, medium and maximum security areas of the jail. These are men who are awaiting trial or sentencing for various crimes. It's a LDS program, but apparently there are even more men who are not LDS than who are who attend. It's a "no touch" facility -- no handshakes, pats on the back or anything. So, within a couple of weeks, we'll be starting. This is my "I was in prison and ye visited me" contribution to the church, and to be perfectly honest, I'd rather be serving in the jail than in the temple. (I hope I don't get struck down for saying that!)
That's a noble thing. I've known people involved in prison ministry. It can be very rewarding.
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Old 10-25-2018, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica, Ca
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Sounds like going to jail couldnít happen to a nicer couple.
Thatís awesome!
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Old 10-25-2018, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Sensitive much? I was speaking about how members of that faith will use various "ruses" (here we go again) in order to engage people in a discussion about their faith.
Yeah, here we go again. Ruse: "an action intended to deceive someone; a trick." Please be more specific about how "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is offering Sunday School classes to anyone who is interested" is a ruse.

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Having put 41 years in law enforcement you will, hopefully, soon become aware of the various games the prisoners will be playing in order to benefit themselves. Your experience in prison will be, expanding your horizons.
I don't think you quite understand how this program works. I am not going to be in a position to become a party to any of their "games" even if I were to be stupid enough to be sucked in. On the other hand, I might be able to offer them something that will possibly help them eventually find a better path than they one they are on when I meet them (and I'm not talking about converting to my church ). This is a county jail and the population is fairly transient. I may interact with the same individuals for only a matter of a few weeks, if that, and never one-on-one. I will try to keep your 41 years in law enforcement in mind during my interactions with the inmates of the jail. I'm sure I'd be looking at this whole thing a little differently than I am if I'd shared some of your experiences. The "ruse" bit, though... unnecessarily judgmental.

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Old 10-25-2018, 06:57 PM
 
Location: USA
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I had the opportunity to talk with inmates from within, as I was jailed for a year for refusing to testify?


Well, what did you learn, Jer?
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Old 10-25-2018, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica, Ca
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I think itís a great thing youíre doing.
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Old 10-25-2018, 07:04 PM
 
Location: USA
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... As a kind of an atypical member of the Church, I accept only callings that I think I could enjoy and do a good job at. I haven't had a calling at all for the last couple of years. My husband is currently heading up our ward's Family History (i.e. genealogy) program.

Well, about a hour-and-a-half ago, my husband and I were asked to meet with our Stake President. That would imply that a calling is imminent. Neither of us could imagine what on earth it might be. As it turns out, we were called to serve for the next three years as Sunday School teachers to the inmates at the Salt Lake County Jail. It sounded intriguing, so we accepted...
Good for you, Katz, for listening to and following your own heart.
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