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Old 10-30-2018, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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jesus cured the romans soldier's boy even though it was blatant to jesus that the roman soldier would not believe. jesus never refused or condemned anybody who asked for help


there are people who seek special numbers in the bible, short cuts to heaven, and bible prophecies to gain knowledge; yet they dont study jesus character or their own heart or intentions towards others

John 4:48-54 (WEB)
48 Jesus therefore said to him, “Unless you see signs and wonders, you will in no way believe.”
49 The nobleman said to him, “Sir, come down before my child dies.”
50 Jesus said to him, “Go your way. Your son lives.” The man believed the word that Jesus spoke to him, and he went his way.
51 As he was now going down, his servants met him and reported, saying “Your child lives!”
52 So he inquired of them the hour when he began to get better. They said therefore to him, “Yesterday at the seventh hour, the fever left him.”
53 So the father knew that it was at that hour in which Jesus said to him, “Your son lives.” He believed, as did his whole house.
54 This is again the second sign that Jesus did, having come out of Judea into Galilee.
But the fact is that not everyone who prays for/has someone else pray for healing of disease or illness gets better. Sometimes they die. Then the person who did the praying believes or is told, "Well, you just didn't have enough faith."

That is wrong, and it can be extremely damaging.
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Old 10-30-2018, 10:15 AM
 
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If Christian fundies are in heaven, I won't mind going elsewhere. In fact, I think I'll insist.
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But the fact is that not everyone who prays for/has someone else pray for healing of disease or illness gets better. Sometimes they die. Then the person who did the praying believes or is told, "Well, you just didn't have enough faith."

That is wrong, and it can be extremely damaging.
i dont regard prayer that way, nor do i advocate for people to pray that way

spirituality is not about being behaviorally rewarded with gifts of affluence and good health from the divine.

i am down to earth when it comes to health.

also, i dont convert or persuade people to interpret the bible like i do

i have never prayed away health woes; i went to a doctor if i was truly sick


jesus elaborated about the practicalities of our existence in these verses:

this is a forum where people express their views about their beliefs or non-beliefs without the encroachment of people who dislike the united states constitution

the us constitution keeps us from the encroachment of a dictatorship by allowing people to freely adhere to a religion, or not to believe in a religion

as an american, i love the constitution that keeps us free from the encroachment of dictatorships and autocrats.

jesus elaborated about the practicalities of our existence in these verses:

Luke 13:1-4 (WBS)
1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galileans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
2 And Jesus answering, said to them, Suppose ye that these Galileans were sinners above all the Galileans, because they suffered such things?
3 I tell you, No; but except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and killed them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
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Old 10-30-2018, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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Ok, you have a spiritual secret club. Apparently, most everyone is included.

And your members seem to gang up on the ones that are not part of that club and argue?
Ask anyone if I argue with them. I may say things they disagree with...that's not arguing.
C'ya, KJoe. Bye.
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Old 10-30-2018, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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But the fact is that not everyone who prays for/has someone else pray for healing of disease or illness gets better. Sometimes they die. Then the person who did the praying believes or is told, "Well, you just didn't have enough faith."
That is wrong, and it can be extremely damaging.
That's not what I believe...just sayin'.
And would never say that either...to the husband left behind or to anyone else!
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Old 10-30-2018, 01:27 PM
 
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Jesus Christ said in Matthew 7:21-23, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the Kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." If you were to believe in a god, be sure that He is the true God.
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Old 10-30-2018, 03:28 PM
 
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Jesus Christ said in Matthew 7:21-23, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the Kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." If you were to believe in a god, be sure that He is the true God.
Be sure that he is not a walking contradiction between that of loving and hating.
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Old 10-30-2018, 05:44 PM
 
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Ask anyone if I argue with them. I may say things they disagree with...that's not arguing.
C'ya, KJoe. Bye.
I stand corrected. You say things that a few disagree with. But you do have quite bit of posters that appear to have the same religous philosophy overwhelmingly disagreeing with a small sect of Bible believers. I am trying to understand how all of this is fits into this forum.
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Old 10-30-2018, 05:56 PM
 
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I stand corrected. You say things that a few disagree with. But you do have quite bit of posters that appear to have the same religious philosophy overwhelmingly disagreeing with a small sect of Bible believers. I am trying to understand how all of this is fits into this forum.
People do not always follow the herd, mob or pack mentality, even if the group is not large.
Individually, they have the ability to reason things out for themselves, whether they agree or not.
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Old 10-30-2018, 06:18 PM
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Location: Walt Disney World
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I stand corrected. You say things that a few disagree with. But you do have quite bit of posters that appear to have the same religous philosophy overwhelmingly disagreeing with a small sect of Bible believers. I am trying to understand how all of this is fits into this forum.
This forum is overrun with universalists. Traditional Christianity is in the minority here.
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Old 10-30-2018, 06:27 PM
 
Location: between three Great Lakes.
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Faith in Jesus is essential to be save from eternal damnation.

Nahh. Never having been a boss (what some call worshipfully, an "employer,") I have no fear of hell.
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