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Old 11-07-2018, 07:35 AM
 
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Yes, dispensations are taught in the Bible. The word 'dispensation' which is used in the King James Bible translates the Greek word οἰκονομία - oikonomia and in more modern English translations is translated as 'stewardship' or 'administration.' See 1 Corinthians 9:17, Ephesians 1:10 and 3:9, Colossians 1:25. But whether translated as dispensation, stewardship or administration, the term refers to the administration of a household or estate. It refers to delegated authority or responsibility.

In every period of human history God puts someone in charge of disseminating the gospel and making it clear. Human administrators or stewards fulfill this purpose. The four major stewards in human history are Gentiles, Israel, Church, and Christ. In the age of Gentiles (before God called out Israel as a people for Himself) all believers were administrators and were responsible for disseminating the Gospel. In the age of Israel which followed, that responsibility was given to the Jews. In the present dispensation of the Church all Church-age believers are given the responsibility of spreading the gospel. In the Millennial kingdom it will be Jesus Himself who is the custodian of the gospel.

There are other differences in the various dispensations of human history. A very obvious one is that Israel was under the Mosaic law, but the Church is not. The purpose of the Mosaic law was to act as a tutor, a guardian for Israel until Christ came. The dispensation of Israel was one of the Mosaic law. The church is the dispensation of grace. This doesn't mean however that God didn't extend grace in prior dispensations. Another difference between the dispensation of Israel and the dispensation of the Church is that in the Church-age every believer is a priest while in the dispensation of Israel the priesthood resided in the tribe of Levi alone.

One constant in all dispensations is that the means of salvation is always the same. In dispensations prior to the coming of Jesus, salvation was though faith in the promised coming of the Messiah. Since the time of the cross salvation is through faith in Christ who is the Messiah who was promised to come.

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Old 11-07-2018, 08:20 AM
 
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Dispensationalism was formulated by John Nelson Darby in the middle of the 19th century. Ostensibly it was an attempt to clarify two issues; one historic and one prophetic.

Darby's historic effort measured time before the cross as the age of Law. Historians call it BC - Before Christ.
Darby referred to time following the cross as the age of Grace. Historians call it AD - Anno Domini (Year of God)

But Darby got it wrong.

JND was neither historian nor theologian and created a great error in the minds of those who interpret God's plan of redemption according to his, Darby's, standard. The Bible is self-interpreting and no external methodology or references are needed to understand its purpose.

We have NEVER been in a time that was not devoid of the requirement of the Law and we have NEVER been in a time when Grace was not active.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LICENSE TO SIN.

Separation of Law and Grace always results in sin and error. Today the post-modern church would have us believe all things are relative - relative, that is, to our desire to sin and hide it in convoluted arguments and self-justifying interpretations.

What is the Law?

Basically the Law is that which God expects of us, that which tells us what to expect of God, and that which instructs us in the divine plan of redemption. The Law describes what God is DOING and it tells us what to DO. The Law itself does nothing except illuminate and instruct.

What is Grace?

Grace is that which God DOES. It is that gift of God which enables us to DO that which God requires of us according to the Law. Grace itself does nothing except to describe DOING - that which God DOES and that which God enables us to DO.

Both Law and Grace are descriptive terms - words that describe DOING.

In Genesis chapter 3 we see the first act of God DOING both law and grace. Sin first appears in the world in chapter 3. How do we know this? The first Law was to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

The first sin was eating of the forbidden fruit and the first ACT of God's grace with regard to human sin was recorded in verse 15. In that verse God promises to DO a thing that will redeem from sin.

Grace was not born on the cross and the law didn't die there either. Darby was wrong.

"I did not come to abolish the Law. I come to fulfill it." - Jesus as quoted by Matthew 5:17

Jesus said the Law didn't die on the cross. Jesus fulfilled the Law upon it by being a sacrifice for sin on our behalf. But what does it say about the times that follow? Are we ourselves to abandon acts of the Law? May it never be.

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God--this is your true and proper worship. - Romans 12:1

We are therefore called to keep the Law and DO it, not by our own power but through that gift of action provided by God. That enabling power is called grace and it encourages us to DO that which God approves - by the Law.

Both Law and Grace mean DOING - God's DOING as well as our DOING (with His help). Neither are new things and neither have ended. Neither will ever end.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft.....

Dispensationalism is a religious interpretive system for the Bible. It considers Biblical history as divided by God into dispensations, defined periods or ages to which God has allotted distinctive administrative principles. ... God judges humanity and introduces a new period of probation under a new administration.

Dispensations exist apart from Darby....he's not important

Law and grace can't mix they cancel each other

LOL on the license to sin....we ALL sin really great even UNlicensed.....

Law is a performance based system that worked for Israel.....it can't be practiced today in the same way.....and NOBODY has kept it perfectly except Christ. Everyone under the law is cursed.

Grace officially came after the cross after Jesus took away sin.....everything changed after the cross and Jesus revealed several mysteries to Paul.....all hidden in the mind of God since the beginning of time......

We serve a God of grace and mercy and justice. The law we can't keep was designed to drive us in failure to a loving God who forgives all who believe.........
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Old 11-07-2018, 11:40 AM
 
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No. BIBLE doesnt support any such notion. If people are saved, it is only by faith. True if Abramam. True for us.
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Old 11-07-2018, 11:53 AM
 
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No. BIBLE doesnt support any such notion. If people are saved, it is only by faith. True if Abramam. True for us.
People are saved by Jesus. The faith involved is His and we are to have faith that He did what He said He did.
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Old 11-07-2018, 12:25 PM
 
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No. BIBLE doesn't support any such notion. If people are saved, it is only by faith. True of Abraham. True for us.
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People are saved by Jesus. The faith involved is His and we are to have faith that He did what He said He did.
The faithfulness of Christ Jesus goes beyond fundamentalism.
And it is his loving-kindness and mercy that they reject.
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Old 11-07-2018, 01:25 PM
 
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No. BIBLE doesnt support any such notion. If people are saved, it is only by faith. True if Abramam. True for us.
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Old 11-07-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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We have the millions of sheeple who sit in buildings every Sunday listening to canned sermons from the four gospels not caring or realizing those verses are good scripture, and useful but not given specifically to a bunch of SUV drivers in the USA but meant for the Jews in ISRAEL of that day. Jesus said He came by promise to the House of Israel and dealt with Gentiles on only two occasions recorded in the book. So people sit around dwelling on promises made to people unlike them under the law with a King who came for His kingdom but was rejected. If you can't figure this out you will never understand the Bible correctly just like all the rest of your group.

There was a simple message for the Garden and Adam.......don't munch on the wrong trees fruit

There was a much more complicated economy Israel and the Jews were under........feast days, the law, sacrifices etc.........we don't have that in the USA today.............

After Israel and the law came the cross and the message of grace primarily for the GENTILES now (but Jews are welcome), this was God extending a helping hand to the world and giving His message through the Apostle Paul........the disciples were confused by grace and did a good job of stamping it out initially.............

Those who gleefully think they are under the law and able to keep it are leading themselves and others to destruction even though they mean well......they and you will ALL perish for lack of knowledge..........so figure it out and rightly divide the word like Paul tells us.........
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