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Old 11-05-2018, 02:01 PM
 
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Jesus in the New Testament makes the remark "That what you do for the least of mine, you do for Me." And St.James, the Lord's brother and head of the church in Jerusalem says in the New Testament "Faith without works is dead."
When you help people by giving them food and shelter, helping mow the lawn or do other things for an elderly neighbor, bring groceries and help out sick family members or neighbors, you are giving them love, the love christ has for all of us. He wasonce asked,"What is the greatest commandment?" Jesus said, to love the Lord God with your whole heart and being.And the second greatest is to love your neighbor as you love yourself."
Plus, I find Jesus gave us a NEW commandment at John 13:34-35 to have the same unselfish love for other as he has.
In other words, we are Now to love neighbor ' more ' than self.

Sure, but giving people physical care for their needs on a one-on-one basis as Jesus taught in his illustration about the neighobrly good Samaritan however does Not cancel out Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
Besides physical fleshly needs Christians are to love neighbor by telling them about the good news about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44. Only Christians take care of people's 'spiritual ' needs in the way Jesus did - Luke 4:43.
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Old 11-05-2018, 02:07 PM
 
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While engaged in open air preaching, Team Jesus Preachers expound on the topic of being saved by grace and not by works.
If we have been saved by Grace (Ephesians 2:8) and Not by Works (Titus 3:5) then why will our works be tested by fire (1st Cor. 3:15).
Salvation by fire / through fire (fiery tests), so there is a difference between salvation by grace and salvation through fire.
One of course is pleasant, while the other is unpleasant to say the least.
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Old 11-05-2018, 02:14 PM
 
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As usual, you have no regard for what the Biblical writers wrote. Sin needed to be judged. And God did judge sin at the cross where Jesus took the sins of the world onto Himself and took the punishment that was due us.
This is even brought out in Isaiah 53 which states that the suffering servant would be smitten of God, pierced through for our transgressions, crushed for our iniquities. That He would be cut off (killed) for the transgression of my [God's] people for whom the stroke was due. The Lord was pleased to crush Him, putting Him to grief if He would render Himself as a guilt offering. All of this screams substitution and judgment.
And Jesus is plainly stated in 1 Peter 2:24 to have borne our sins in His own body on the cross.
Yes, Jesus died for our sins - 1st John 5:7, but that does Not mean we can't go against Jesus.
As Hebrews 10:26 says there can be a point where there is No more forgiveness.
Those committing the unforgivable sin of Matthew 12:32 will Not be forgiven.
So, it is No wonder at Matthew 20:28 says Jesus' ransom covers ' many ' and does not say all.
The figurative haughty 'goat'-like people at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth are judged as unworthy.
- Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
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Old 11-05-2018, 03:07 PM
 
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Yes, Jesus died for our sins - 1st John 5:7, but that does Not mean we can't go against Jesus.
As Hebrews 10:26 says there can be a point where there is No more forgiveness.
Those committing the unforgivable sin of Matthew 12:32 will Not be forgiven.
So, it is No wonder at Matthew 20:28 says Jesus' ransom covers ' many ' and does not say all.
The figurative haughty 'goat'-like people at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth are judged as unworthy.
- Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
Your view of what Hebrews 10:26 means ignores what comes before in Hebrews chapter 10. It does not mean that you can lose your salvation or that you can commit a sin for which Jesus did not die. Hebrews 10:26 is a restatement of Hebrews 10:18 which says that where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin. Hebrews 10:18 and 10:26 are saying the same thing which is that since Jesus offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, there is no need for any further sacrifices. No matter how much the believer sins, the sacrifice of Jesus paid the penalty. Far from saying or implying that the believer can lose his salvation, it is saying the exact opposite. It's true that the believer who lives in sin can come under heavy divine discipline in time, in this life, but eternal punishment is not in view in Hebrews 10:27. It's referring to temporal discipline just as Hebrews 12:5-9 is.

Hebrews 10:10 clearly states that the believer has been sanctified through the offering of Jesus once for all, and verse 14 goes on to say that by the one offering of Jesus He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

What that means is that the believer is positionally in Christ Jesus and will always be positionally sanctified no matter how much he sins. The believer's experiential sanctification which has to do with his spiritual growth is conditioned upon his commitment to growing in grace and in the knowledge of Christ Jesus, but positionally, the believer is in Christ, he is positionally sanctified, he is eternally secure no matter how much he sins.

In the case of Matthew 20:28, the reference to 'many' can only mean all, because Hebrews 2:9 says that Jesus tasted death for EVERYONE. Otherwise, you have a contradiction between Matthew and the writer of Hebrews.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

And as for Matthew 12:32, and the 'unforgivable sin,' Jesus was quite clear that that had to do with attributing his miracles to Satan rather than the Holy Spirit. Opinions vary among theologians whether the unforgivable sin can even be committed today, or whether it could only be committed while Jesus was physically on the earth. As well, there is the view that the 'unforgivable sin' is not even referring to a personal sin, but to the national sin of Israel in rejecting Christ and that as a result of having rejected Him, Israel is under divine discipline for the present, but will be restored when Christ returns.

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Old 11-05-2018, 10:37 PM
 
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There is a difference between eating the show bread, and that of cutting someone's throat.


One Sabbath he was going through the grain fields, and as they made their way, his disciples began to pluck heads of grain. And the Pharisees were saying to him, "Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?" And he said to them, "Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?"

The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.

He will also stand in judgment, when it comes to murders and rapists; and those who harm other people.
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Old 11-06-2018, 03:27 AM
 
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You have the adversary.
Yea, but heís not an enemy of G-d warring against Him trying to take folks to hell...He is an angel of G-d who does G-dís bidding...His Job is to test people and ascertain their worthiness...As he did in Job...
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Old 11-06-2018, 03:28 AM
 
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Jesus in the New Testament makes the remark "That what you do for the least of mine, you do for Me." And St.James, the Lord's brother and head of the church in Jerusalem says in the New Testament "Faith without works is dead."
When you help people by giving them food and shelter, helping mow the lawn or do other things for an elderly neighbor, bring groceries and help out sick family members or neighbors, you are giving them love, the love christ has for all of us. He wasonce asked,"What is the greatest commandment?" Jesus said, to love the Lord God with your whole heart and being.And the second greatest is to love your neighbor as you love yourself."
And the descendants of Jamesí church in Jerusalem where the Ebionites...
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Old 11-06-2018, 03:29 AM
 
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Plus, I find Jesus gave us a NEW commandment at John 13:34-35 to have the same unselfish love for other as he has.
In other words, we are Now to love neighbor ' more ' than self.

Sure, but giving people physical care for their needs on a one-on-one basis as Jesus taught in his illustration about the neighobrly good Samaritan however does Not cancel out Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
Besides physical fleshly needs Christians are to love neighbor by telling them about the good news about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44. Only Christians take care of people's 'spiritual ' needs in the way Jesus did - Luke 4:43.
Itís not new, itís in the Torah...
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Old 11-06-2018, 04:36 AM
 
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Yea, but heís not an enemy of G-d warring against Him trying to take folks to hell...He is an angel of G-d who does G-dís bidding...His Job is to test people and ascertain their worthiness...As he did in Job...
So God doesn't aready know this ?. He knew it of David, he said he was a man after his own heart.
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