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Old 11-05-2018, 09:15 PM
 
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Any mingling of politics and churches should be avoided. Period.

Neither area (politics and spirituality/religion) needs each other, or benefits from the other. Mixing them is near-guaranteed to taint both.
"politics" is a wordly term thus you will not find it in the bible
There is nothing biblical about what you've pushed above. It's a way to silence christians, NO WAY.

It's a secular point of view which doesn't belong in church since church, is based upon the truth aka the bible.
We have many prophets who did alot more than vote, they actively opposed the pharisee leaders of their day.


In fact, during the tribulation, Christians will be called to oppose the political leaders. History will repeat itself in that way
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Old 11-05-2018, 09:31 PM
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At church this morning, the pastor called up one member (who I'd never met before) who is apparently a very active member. The pastor mentioned that the member is running for political office, named the office, and then gave a long prayer for the member.

The pastor never said, "vote for this person" or "this person is the best"; the prayer was more like, "may God be with this person in his daily walk", and it was a prayer that could be given for any person in the congregation.

Relatives of the member's opponent also attend the church, although not that service, and the opponent does not attend the church.

This seemed strange to me; it wasn't an express endorsement, but it was still free publicity and and a clear sign that the member is "one of us", and the campaign and office were mentioned. I looked up the member's campaign website and would now vote for him.


Is the pastor's action out of line? I think so. Or of it's not out of line, it sure comes close. (The member who was prayed for is NOT a Republican--he is running against a Republican.)

What would you think if your pastor did this?
It certainly is an "implied endorsement".

It's a grey-ish area, but prayer can also be done in the pastor's office.

Did the pastor also pray for his opponent? If so, that might be different.
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:25 PM
 
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It certainly is an "implied endorsement".

It's a grey-ish area, but prayer can also be done in the pastor's office.

Did the pastor also pray for his opponent? If so, that might be different.
But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.
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Old 11-06-2018, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Mars City
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Jesus never aligned himself - or partnered with - political leaders. That speaks volumes.

On the other side of the coin, the folks who clashed with Jesus the most (the Sandhedrin, Pharisees, Saducees, etc.) all mixed high religious position with politics.

Looking at either Jesus' preference, and what he shunned, it's easy to see how we are to conduct ourselves.

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Old 11-06-2018, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I dont' see a problem with it. My pastor prays for everyone in his congregation and often will single those out that need a little more attention. Had he allowed the gentleman to speak and or make a political statement, then i would have had issue with it.. otherwise, don't you think all of our politicians running for office this year need a few extra prayers..
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Old 11-06-2018, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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Jesus never aligned himself - or partnered with - political leaders. That speaks volumes.

In strong contrast, the folks that clashed with Jesus the most (the Sandhedrin, Pharisees, Saducees, etc.) all mixed high religious position with politics).

Two clear ways of showing how we are to act and conduct ourselves.
He did have a tax collector as a follower. Moses, David, Solomon, etc... they ran the government of Israel.

God can work through people in any vocation that he desires. God created the function of government. Surely He can put people to work in a governing function if He wants.
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Old 11-06-2018, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Mars City
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He did have a tax collector as a follower.
So what? Matthew immediately stopped being a tax collector and became a worker for Christ.

Our past lives are irrelevant compared to new life and a new future. But the Pharisees etc. continued their ways, even getting nastier, in the present of Christ. Many who love power, and thrive on division, stay with their ugliness and vomit, and choose that over Christ and change.
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Old 11-06-2018, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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Our church encourages people to vote, and our Pastor indirectly lets people know he cannot stand liberals. However, we do not bring candidates forward or pray over them. I believe that is going too far.
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Old 11-06-2018, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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So what? Matthew immediately stopped being a tax collector and became a worker for Christ.

Our past lives are irrelevant compared to new life and a new future. But the Pharisees etc. continued their ways, even getting nastier, in the present of Christ. Many who love power, and thrive on division, stay with their ugliness and vomit, and choose that over Christ and change.
Why are the Pharisees (or people in government) different than anyone else in the world?

They need Christ in their lives like all people. I'm not sure why you are singling them out.
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Old 11-06-2018, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Mars City
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our Pastor indirectly lets people know he cannot stand liberals
Then he follows the ways of man, politics, power, and division. He obviously has no clue who Jesus was and how he lived, and/or is uninterested in modelling Jesus. That's the great curse and sickness in modern American churches.

He can pat himself on the back for stirring up division, and being a stumbling block to others. He's probably never given a damn about how many people he's moved farther from Christ.

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