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Old 11-10-2018, 05:20 PM
 
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Jesus did leave the law in place, how do I respond if you begin with something that isn't true? You are flesh, people are flesh, do you get this? The law concerns flesh and as long as people are flesh, there will be a law not to murder. There are two laws, one for the flesh and one for the spirt, but Jesus certainly didn't take the law away and neither could he have.

The law is in the book and it will stand forever.......it is a moot point for BELIEVERS today, which is the audience I hope I'm writing too here......

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by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Sin taken off the table once you believe, it's like we never sinned thanks to Christ who paid our debt......

We serve an incredible God......
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Old 11-10-2018, 05:28 PM
 
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We are shown how thousands and thousands of Jews became even more zealous to keep the laws of Moses, and this proves that Christians aren't in the same religion as the believing Jews.

The law wasn't done away with, it was the punishments that were taken away.

We don't want to be in any religion, but a relationship. Religion is a waste of time, man trying to reach God on his own.

What are your comments on a partial blindness over the nation of Israel?......
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Old 11-10-2018, 05:36 PM
 
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The idea of Christianity is lost, it's not about saving something that is, it is about building something that isn't there. It's like Christians keeping Pagan feasts, it's not that they sin in doing it, it's that all the meat of the word is lost to them because they reject the knowledge of those 7 feasts along with their traditions and rituals made for the brides to bear a new born son. Without the knowledge of the feasts, there is no understanding the New Testament. We teach Jesus by teaching Passover but Passover is just one day of 7.......Those sacrifices are made for eating, it is the meat of the word that raises a mature born again Christians and why the wicked servant is cut in half..... The servant has been made keeper over the household of God to give the children meat in due season, but the wicked servant doesn't know the comings and going of God, and so he neglects giving God's children the meat of the word, and thus, cut in half.

We are made keeper over the household of God to give the children of God meat in due season, that means we are pregnant trying to mature a new born creature in us.

It isn't about sin, it is about building, whether you build a work that can stand in the flames or not, but even those whose work is burned, they are still saved but only as one who goes through a fire.........The ones who stand in the flames and do not burn, these recieve reward where the others only obtained salvation, and they recieved reward because they had fully built a new house, a house is a new body.

Just being saved is the least, and the ones that are just merely saved weep and gnash their teeth because they see those who obtained reward, not because they went to hell, heaven and hell are states of being.
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Old 11-11-2018, 11:32 AM
 
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The idea of Christianity is lost, it's not about saving something that is, it is about building something that isn't there. It's like Christians keeping Pagan feasts, it's not that they sin in doing it, it's that all the meat of the word is lost to them because they reject the knowledge of those 7 feasts along with their traditions and rituals made for the brides to bear a new born son. Without the knowledge of the feasts, there is no understanding the New Testament. We teach Jesus by teaching Passover but Passover is just one day of 7.......Those sacrifices are made for eating, it is the meat of the word that raises a mature born again Christians and why the wicked servant is cut in half..... The servant has been made keeper over the household of God to give the children meat in due season, but the wicked servant doesn't know the comings and going of God, and so he neglects giving God's children the meat of the word, and thus, cut in half.

We are made keeper over the household of God to give the children of God meat in due season, that means we are pregnant trying to mature a new born creature in us.

It isn't about sin, it is about building, whether you build a work that can stand in the flames or not, but even those whose work is burned, they are still saved but only as one who goes through a fire.........The ones who stand in the flames and do not burn, these recieve reward where the others only obtained salvation, and they recieved reward because they had fully built a new house, a house is a new body.

Just being saved is the least, and the ones that are just merely saved weep and gnash their teeth because they see those who obtained reward, not because they went to hell, heaven and hell are states of being.

Those observing feast days and other rituals of Israel because they think it makes them holy are just badly taught.

Gal 4:9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?
Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years!
Gal 4:11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

The irony of this whole deal is Christians clearly see Jesus in all of the feasts and rituals the Jews do, but the Jews don't and most are actually secular. Hard to get good advice from the secular and those waiting for Jesus to appear for the first time, but such is life.
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Old 11-11-2018, 12:13 PM
 
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The law is in the book and it will stand forever.......it is a moot point for BELIEVERS today, which is the audience I hope I'm writing too here......

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by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Sin taken off the table once you believe, it's like we never sinned thanks to Christ who paid our debt......

We serve an incredible God......
He took it off the table by cancelling it through that of love and forgiveness, not as a penal substitute.
And whether or not, you believe this is irrelevant:

2 Corinthians 5:19
God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them.
And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation (not one of eternal damnation).
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Old 11-12-2018, 07:22 PM
 
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We don't want to be in any religion, but a relationship. Religion is a waste of time, man trying to reach God on his own.

What are your comments on a partial blindness over the nation of Israel?......
They are not supposed to believe in Jesus and they will be rewarded for it just as Paul said and just as it happened with Joseph. Again, much of what is said of Israel has nothing to do with the Jews of Judah, God never ended Judah, he ended Israel except for those 7000 amongst every generation and everyone of those are the elect living as Jews amongst Jews.

Try and understand this, the people of Judah are the chosen and Jesus did not come offering them a betrothal to a Jew to become a Jew, the whole point is a Gentile joining the chosen people, not the chosen people joining the lawless ways of Gentiles.

Paul says,' Even us, not of the Jew only, but even us who are not Jewish.''

As it says in Hosea,'' The people who were not my people become the sons of the living God.''

This is the lost ten tribes who willingly chose to become Gentiles with their lawlessness and paganism for almost 300 years. They were never Jews, they were Israel but because they wanted to be non Jews staying separated and divided from the Jews of Judah, they chose lawlessness and called the Torah a strange thing, and the first King of Israel said in his heart,'' If I let these people go up to Jerusalem to keep the feasts of the Lord, then I will lose my kingdom and my people will become one with Judah.'' (1 Kings)........

Because of their lawlessness and paganism, God ended them, God scattered them to the 4 corners of the Earth and used them as seeds to seed all the gentile nations.

Please try and understand this, God SEEDED THEM, God ended this wicked kingdom which were enemies to the Jews, they were a completely different people in a completely different religion, and yet, when people read the name,'' Israel,'' they always assume it is speaking of Jews of Judah.

God ended the kingdom of Ephraim known as the house of Israel, known as the land of Joseph, the land of Naphtali and Zebulun, those who sat in darkness for 700 years have now seen a light......

God ended them and he seeded them amongst all Gentile nations that one day those seeds would bear fruit, and the Gentiles would come repenting for their lawlessness and paganism that ended them.

OUR ONLY PROMISE, OUR ONLY WAY INTO THE COVENANT.

THAT WE WOULD BE GRAFTED AND ADOPTED BACK INTO ISRAEL BECAUSE WE REPENT OF NOT ACCEPTING GODS WORSHIP SYSTEM.

Gentiles have one promise in Hosea that God would offer those ten lost Gentile tribes a betrothal to a Jew in order to redeem him BACK IN TO ISRAEL

If you are not under the promise to the ten lost tribes to accept a betrothal to a Jew, you don't have a covenant, if you are not Israel, you are just claiming to be under the New Covenant Messiah brings for Ephraim and Judah when you are neither Ephraim or Judah and we happen to know who Ephraim and Judah are, there is no guessing here.

I wished I could express how silly it is that so many millions of people are claiming to be under the New Covenant when they can't even quote the written covenant and expect anyone to believe them......

If you are worried about Jews, that is a waste of your time, what you should be concerned with is why you are not Israel and thus, not in the New covenant as Ephraim and Judah.

You have just been told all of your life that you are under that New Covenant, but there is only one way to take hold of the covenant(ISAIAH 56) and the majority of Christians are absolutely not in that covenant for Ephraim and Judah from the simple fact that they are separated from Jews, separated from God's religion, now you can say that there is no religion or insinuate that God has no religion, and you can stand in the outer court to remain a Gentile, but the covenant is not of Gentiles, it is for Israel....

It just means that the Gentile Christian will not be given a new name, they will not become a new creature, they will not be gathered to Israel during the Messianic reign, and they shall have no rain to fall on their seed that their seed dies and bears fruit, and yet, they are still saved because even Jesus tells you that you can not keep any of the laws, and you can even be disrespectful to teach others to follow in your lawlessness and still be the least in the kingdom..

Fear not, we can see all those fulfilled prophesies after God has gathered Ephraim and Judah to the mountains of Israel where the bible is still showing hope for Gentiles, but they are not under the specific covenant of Ephraim and Judah...And thus, the prophesies show Ephraim and Judah AND SAVED GENTILES.

God has offered the Gentile a betrothal to become one with his people if only they will accept his Sabbaths and feasts, and that is all there is to becoming Israel, but any Gentile who keeps pagan ways and teaches lawlesness cannot be Israel....

Israel was wiped out because of the same mentality of separation from God's chosen people, and it is very sad that God has went so far as to send his son to offer a betrothal when the great majority reject this betrothal.....They claim a betrothal when they will never enter into the marriage chamber to consummate the marriage.

God ended the ten tribes because they became lawless and pagan in their desire to stay separated from Judah, and then a Jew is sent to offer a betrothal redeeming Gentile converts under the name lf Israel and the only stipulation to be grafted and adopted was to take hold of the covenant by rejecting the ways of pagan gods, all you have to do is accept Jesus as your Passover and now Christians wont even do this, and still they proclaim they are under the New covenant and they are not.

Converts convert, for 2000 years the church has made sure that no Gentile came under the New Covenant by separating from Jews, they outlawed God.

Every Christian that rejects the Sabbath and 7 feasts of Messiah also outlaws God by outlawing his worship system and the people who keep it...

Gentiles have been falsly claiming to be under that New Covenant for 2000 years while they have persecuted and killed anyone who was under that new covenant.

Thre is nothing new under the sun, Christianity outlawed the commandments of God and they used their pagan Holy days as vehicles of death, if you followed Jesus as your Passover and your Pentecost, you stuck out like a sore thumb and were killed for God. Killed because you wouldn't stop following the 7 feasts of Jesus, and killed because you wouldn't accept the pagan lawless Jesus.

It is just so bizarre, God wipes out ten tribes in Israel for lawlesness and paganism in their separation from Jews, and here are Christians teaching a lawless pagan Jesus whose people are way worse than the ten tribes ever was.

But Jesus, Jesus, we taught your name in the streets and did miracles in your name.

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Old 11-13-2018, 03:30 PM
 
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We don't want to be in any religion, but a relationship. Religion is a waste of time, man trying to reach God on his own.

What are your comments on a partial blindness over the nation of Israel?......
There is none...
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Old 11-13-2018, 04:12 PM
 
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Those observing feast days and other rituals of Israel because they think it makes them holy are just badly taught.

Gal 4:9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?
Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years!
Gal 4:11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

The irony of this whole deal is Christians clearly see Jesus in all of the feasts and rituals the Jews do, but the Jews don't and most are actually secular. Hard to get good advice from the secular and those waiting for Jesus to appear for the first time, but such is life.
What good is Paul's words if he proves that he never stopped keeping the laws? What you are doing is reading something you don't get. Begin with Gentiles so zealous to become like Jews that they took it to a flaw in all the extra biblical things Jews did, and then to think keeping them for salvation......Gentiles don't take on everything Jewish like the first Christians were overzealous to do, and what was said to Gentiles was not said to Jews, and what was said was decades after Jesus died when there was an ongoing debate whether or not Gentiles had to keep all the laws.

Use your common sense and tell me why tens of thousands of believing Jews had to form a council to decide whether or not Gentiles should keep the laws as Jews kept them?

Doesn't common sense dictate that Jewish believers never stopped keeping the laws of Moses?

They had to form a council to decide this question because Jews never stopped keeping the laws of Moses, and we really have no reason to guess, Act 21 shows us thousands and thousands of Jewish believers who became even more zealous to keep the laws of Moses, and Paul himself took people to get circumcised. Paul himself had to prove that he never taught Jews not to keep the laws of Moses under pain of death, he proved that people were lying, and that he never taught Jews not to keep the laws of Moses......

So you are not in the same religion as all those Jewish believers because all those Jewish believers were zealous to keep the laws.

Either you are misunderstanding Paul's words, or Paul is a two faced liar who would do or say anything to save his own neck and Acts 21 is all the proof you need, just the fact that a council had to be formed to decide if Gentiles should keep the laws or not, it should convince you that believing Jews never stopped keeping the laws, and you are in a different religion than all those believing Jews.

You can't have it both ways, Paul proved what he was in Acts 21, and he is either in Judaism keeping the laws of Moses, or he is the worst false prophet and two faced liar there ever was, was he lying to all those Jewish believers?
Did Paul present himself to the courrt in bold face lies trying to prove he never stopped keeping the laws? Did Paul lie through his teeth to save his own neck?

That is who you present.
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Old 11-13-2018, 05:22 PM
 
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He took it off the table by canceling it through that of love and forgiveness, not as a penal substitute.
And whether or not, you believe this is irrelevant:

2 Corinthians 5:19
God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them.
And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation (not one of eternal damnation).
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Old 11-13-2018, 05:22 PM
 
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Yup, get outta jail free card...


Just as Jesus intended!!
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