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Old 11-19-2018, 03:53 PM
 
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THE TESTIMONY OF THE EBIONITES…..WHY WAS I NEVER TOLD BEFORE NOW?

There exists an account of Saul's origins which was given by the Ebionites, the community of Jewish Christians, who regarded him as the perverter of Yeshua's message and as the founder of a new religion which Yeshua himself would have rejected. According to the Ebionites, Saul was not a Pharisee and not even a Jew by birth. His parents in Tarsus were Gentiles, and he himself had become a convert and had thereupon journeyed to the Holy Land, where he found employment in the service of the High Priest. This is a very different story from that found in the New Testament, which has Saul as a prominent Pharisee, not so much entering the service of the High Priest as deigning to enter into an alliance with him. The account given by the Ebionites has always been rejected contemptuously both by Christian writers and by some modern scholars as mere scurrilous polemics, intended to denigrate Paul, and based on nothing but spite and hostility. But the Ebionites deserve more consideration than this since they are the earliest Jewish followers of Yeshua and should know best the events that transpired in their time that involved Yeshua, their Messiah. - paul's relationship with the high priest...proves paul a sadducee and not a pharisee
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Old 11-19-2018, 08:41 PM
 
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Well, Richard, it's pretty well covered Acts,and if the Ebionites actually had a worthwhile message, as Paul did, it might have gained traction. All they had was religious parochialism.
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Old 11-20-2018, 05:58 AM
 
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Well, Richard, it's pretty well covered Acts,and if the Ebionites actually had a worthwhile message, as Paul did, it might have gained traction. All they had was religious parochialism.
Considering that the Ebionites are the descendants of the Church that was overseen by James...
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Old 11-20-2018, 07:55 AM
 
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THE TESTIMONY OF THE EBIONITES…..WHY WAS I NEVER TOLD BEFORE NOW?

There exists an account of Saul's origins which was given by the Ebionites, the community of Jewish Christians, who regarded him as the perverter of Yeshua's message and as the founder of a new religion which Yeshua himself would have rejected. According to the Ebionites, Saul was not a Pharisee and not even a Jew by birth. His parents in Tarsus were Gentiles, and he himself had become a convert and had thereupon journeyed to the Holy Land, where he found employment in the service of the High Priest. This is a very different story from that found in the New Testament, which has Saul as a prominent Pharisee, not so much entering the service of the High Priest as deigning to enter into an alliance with him. The account given by the Ebionites has always been rejected contemptuously both by Christian writers and by some modern scholars as mere scurrilous polemics, intended to denigrate Paul, and based on nothing but spite and hostility. But the Ebionites deserve more consideration than this since they are the earliest Jewish followers of Yeshua and should know best the events that transpired in their time that involved Yeshua, their Messiah. - paul's relationship with the high priest...proves paul a sadducee and not a pharisee
I did not see any documentation of what this guy says, just more Paul bashing.
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Old 11-20-2018, 07:55 AM
 
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Considering that the Ebionites are the descendants of the Church that was overseen by James...
Who never seem to have caught on that it was NOT about religious forms and laws. Oh well.
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Old 11-20-2018, 08:06 AM
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But scripture sure did.......He wanted us to figure out it was impossible to keep and we needed HIM a merciful and gracious God to forgive us and give us eternal life after the cross........

23 for fall have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

We are as likely to keep the law as we are to jump to the moon..........

The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)

If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)

The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)

The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)

Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)

Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)

The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)
I know that we are under grace!
because I have especially lately found that somehow, that you can be lead or come into a place where in order to keep the law to love God first .. you can be breaking a law/ and all those new testament "good suggestions" like to not withhold yourself from your mate or to not break the laws of the land.. .. thus sin against, toward a human or against the law of men in some way.
so what I know for sure is that we are to love God first and then Love men next . because of his blood it is now possible to be loving and gracious and in all ways "righteous" before him and be in " the Lord" and still somehow sin against
"the perfect will of God " or "to sin against someone". Because of his graceous gift of Love to us!
I think is why Jesus died so that we can have mercy. because we can't always do everything in the perfect will of God and in the perfect "laws " toward all men. so we are always choosing between our love of God or love of man.. These seem to be in conflict always!!!
now whenever possible we should do all we can do as Paul usually tries to convey and why he seems
to always be in some sort of a conflict way .
I think because sometimes it is not possible to please both or either .. and that is why Jesus died to give us his grace and mercy which is new every morning fresh .. because we can sin against men and or God ( their spoken or unspoken laws, and all those biblical suggestions in the new testament , things like marriage advice from the unmarried..) and not even be trying too hurt or sin again anyone in anyway , if why we needed a savior desperately ..
That is one reason why he gave us mercy and his grace!
is because in the fallen world we can't be "perfect" or to walk in even our ideas of "perfect love", much less his ideas about it, in everytime and in everything.
and Jesus knew that it is not possible.

Tt is not hard to not
break the" Big ten" like don't murder ( that means kill on purpose) is not that hard to do .. except the first law it is easy to break , but to always walk in the Father's perfect or even permissible will is way-way harder to keep .. and why we need a Savior for our sins..

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Old 11-21-2018, 02:52 AM
 
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Who never seem to have caught on that it was NOT about religious forms and laws. Oh well.
Gee, right of the gate, huh?...You appear to be a disciple of Mystic...
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Old 11-21-2018, 08:19 AM
 
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Gee, right of the gate, huh?...You appear to be a disciple of Mystic...
Mystic has some interesting ideas and he certainly understands the message of Christ, but I follow the "guide" promised by Jesus. It's about a commitment to community with God and man, and how to apply the concern for others that is the basis for it.
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Old 11-21-2018, 12:41 PM
 
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Mystic has some interesting ideas and he certainly understands the message of Christ, but I follow the "guide" promised by Jesus. It's about a commitment to community with God and man, and how to apply the concern for others that is the basis for it.
Obviously you don’t understand Judaism then...
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Old 11-21-2018, 03:18 PM
 
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Gee, right of the gate, huh?...You appear to be a disciple of Mystic...
I think they disciple each other where neither one believes the word of God, and both try and prove the word of God wrong, and both still want a Messiah after they have proven there is no word of God, and thus no Messiah. They don't seem to understand how common sense works lol. You prove God wrong, you have no Messiah, and even if either one could prove a magic Messiah out of thin air, the Messiah they present couldn't possibly be the Messiah the prophets speak about because their Messiah is a pagan lawless Messiah that should have been stoned to death for being a false prophet trying to lead the children of Israel into paganism and lawlessness, they present a known Messiah, but it is the Anti Christ in every way, and we know what Anti Christ comes to do, he comes to do what those two are preaching,'' Paganism, lawlessness, and anti Semitism against God and his people.

It is as clear as the nose on they face, the lawless one comes to stand against everything called of God or worshipped of God in his commandments and his worship system of Sabbaths and feasts. That is what they do and they actually think they are correct when it couldn't be more obvious what they teach and who they follow.........Lawlessness, paganism involving themselves in the worship of gods that are not Gods, and they think lawlessness is righteousness, does that pretty much sum them up?

Lawlessness and paganism, yeah, they must be God's people.
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