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Old 11-12-2018, 02:31 PM
 
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Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.


Some think it isn't possible that there would be a ten nation alliance that could come to power and exert it over Christians and the like.



But is there an effort underway to have a 10 nation power arise today?


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-f...-idUSKBN1JL0R9


Notice that Macron has been pushing for a new power to emerge on the globe that dictate European values which all should understand as Secularism.


I'm not suggesting or implying that those countries or even France for that matter are the ones. I'm merely presenting the idea that you can't say it isn't possible to happen today when it is already happening.
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Old 11-12-2018, 03:46 PM
 
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Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast..
I find the number 10 in Revelation stands for earthly completeness.
So, to me '10 kings' would mean a coalition of earth's nations. All political nations.

In the past God used the political/military world as His ' Arm of the Law' to carry out His purpose/will.
God used ancient Babylon, plus in the year 70 God used the Roman armies against un-faithful Jerusalem.
So, we can expect that same pattern to be followed.
At Rev. 17:11 we read about an 8th king.
Before the United Nations there was the League of Nations.
The UN emerged from the League thus presenting itself as being that symbolic 8th king.
Although the UN may look flimsy that 8th king does have an army.
So, with backing 'these' of Rev. 17:13 - can back the UN to be strengthened to become today's God's Arm of the Law.
Since judgement starts with the religious ' House of God ' - 1st Peter 4:17, then earth's political 'kings/rulers' will surprisingly turn on the corrupted religious world. However, they will be surprised they can't get rid of genuine Christianity.
The genuine ' wheat ' Christians have Christ's backing -> Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev. 19:14-16.
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Old 11-12-2018, 03:56 PM
 
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I find the number 10 in Revelation stands for earthly completeness.
So, to me '10 kings' would mean a coalition of earth's nations. All political nations.

In the past God used the political/military world as His ' Arm of the Law' to carry out His purpose/will.
God used ancient Babylon, plus in the year 70 God used the Roman armies against un-faithful Jerusalem.
So, we can expect that same pattern to be followed.
At Rev. 17:11 we read about an 8th king.
Before the United Nations there was the League of Nations.
The UN emerged from the League thus presenting itself as being that symbolic 8th king.
Although the UN may look flimsy that 8th king does have an army.
So, with backing 'these' of Rev. 17:13 - can back the UN to be strengthened to become today's God's Arm of the Law.
Since judgement starts with the religious ' House of God ' - 1st Peter 4:17, then earth's political 'kings/rulers' will surprisingly turn on the corrupted religious world. However, they will be surprised they can't get rid of genuine Christianity.
The genuine ' wheat ' Christians have Christ's backing -> Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev. 19:14-16.

I see 10 as a curse.


Remember it was the 10 northern tribes that were horrible. It is the 10 Commandments that were used to convict the sinners. It was 10 that was used as the number of plagues put upon Egypt. It is 10 nations that had to be destroyed entering into the promised land.


So the ten to me represent nations that will be gathered together against the saints. They will be destroyed so they are cursed.
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Old 11-12-2018, 04:10 PM
 
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I see 10 as a curse.
So the ten to me represent nations that will be gathered together against the saints. They will be destroyed so they are cursed.
Please note what I mentioned was that 'in the book of Revelation' the number 10 stands for completeness on Earth.
So, all of earth's nations, a coalition of earth's nations, being gathered.......
How many nations or kingdoms do you see involved at Daniel 2:44, isn't it more than a literal 10 nations _____
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Old 11-12-2018, 04:41 PM
 
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Please note what I mentioned was that 'in the book of Revelation' the number 10 stands for completeness on Earth.
So, all of earth's nations, a coalition of earth's nations, being gathered.......
How many nations or kingdoms do you see involved at Daniel 2:44, isn't it more than a literal 10 nations _____

I think in that instance it is referring to those 10 kingdoms.
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Old 11-13-2018, 07:10 PM
 
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Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.


Some think it isn't possible that there would be a ten nation alliance that could come to power and exert it over Christians and the like.



But is there an effort underway to have a 10 nation power arise today?


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-f...-idUSKBN1JL0R9


Notice that Macron has been pushing for a new power to emerge on the globe that dictate European values which all should understand as Secularism.


I'm not suggesting or implying that those countries or even France for that matter are the ones. I'm merely presenting the idea that you can't say it isn't possible to happen today when it is already happening.
Again, the ten horns are in referrence to the kingdom of the ten tribes that Christians are grafted and adopted into, and those Christians claiming the covenant under the promise to the ten tribes have accepted the ways of Babylon 2000 years ago, and you are reading about people keeping Babylonian Holy days, Christians.

The Christians grafted under the ten tribes converted to Pagan Babylonian holy days and lawlessness 2000 years ago, and it was already happening when Revelation was written and that is quite obvious. It is also very obvious and understanding that people would naturaly not want to give up their holy days they kept all their lives, but the effect of the Jewish war, and Jewish hatred even before the war, Christians didn't want to be seen as Jews especially living in Rome.

After the Jewish war, no Gentile was brave enough to keep the feasts of Christ. OBVIOUSLY, a war brings hatred like no other thing, and we are talking about a 7 year war of Rome coming up against Jerusalem locked in with all it's inhabitants with no food and no water, and with any population you are going to have low life people eating your babies from starvation, and the Romans witnessesed this if you believe Josephus Flavius.

Now put yourself as a Roman citizen who is a Christian going around speaking of a Passover lamb, a Christian who then ceased all his former paganism and the worship system of all other God's in the midst of your own Gentile people fresh from the war of the Jews.

At the same time, there is a ruler claiming to be a walking God himself, and he is a hero to Rome, a Hero of the Jewish war, and you are going to tell your own people that there is a Jew who was a true walking God, and you advise Romans to follow a Jew right after the Jewish war......

Imagine how a Roman would have been hated after the Jewish war when he was found keeping Jewish holy days appearing as a Jew.

This is why Christians abandoned the covenant that made them as one with Jews in the same religion sharing the same worship system.

They took on Roman Babylonian Holy days for good reason, a Gentile would have been much more hated than the Jew because of the fact it would make him a traitor and an enemy to Rome.

This was all in place when Revelation was written, there was no doubt going to be a war.

This is what Revelation is explaining except that the people of Babylon who keep the ways of the Messiah of Babylon wont admit that they are keeping the ways of Roman Babylonian gods........Revelation is about the Messiah of Babylon, don't you think the people of Babylon in Revelation are the people who literally keep the holy days of the Babylonian Messiah?

His name is Tammuz, and his name has always been Tammuz and always will be Tammuz, and when you find his name in the bible, you find the masses laying dead in the 6th hour of the 6th day in the 6th month in the 6th year because they brought their Babylonian pagan holy days and traditions up to the temple of God........You are witnessing the last sacrifice of God he makes for the birds of the air, and the sacrifice is killed at 6 PM where the date has just changed at the exact hour on the exact date at 6 Pm, when the 5th day has turned into the 6th day as it does every day, it is the 6th month in the 6th year in Exekiel 9 where God is measuring the temple and sealing the heads of all those who are weeping about the paganism brought to the temple..........Those people being sealed for what holy days they keep is a matter of the law, God promises that if you keep only his Sabbaths and feasts, he will seal you in your forehead and right hand. That is why Ezekiel is showing them being sealed because that seal is only given to people who accept God's Sabbaths and feasts. That is the law and the reason Revelation keeps talking about obtaining that seal.

Those ten horns is the kingdom of Gentiles Christians who keep the Babylonian holy days, traditions and riturals that were originaly made for teaching about the Babylonian Msssiah, Tammuz.

Gentiles are grafted through those ten horns that God had seeded into the nations.

Maybe everyone wants to find some mysterious 10 nation group, but that is hilarious.

The whole book is written of Ephraim and Judah, the ten tribes sent out into ten Gentile nations, and these same ten are the same ten men from every nation who will grasp the garment of a Jew, and this is saying a lot, it is a Gentile begging to become one with a Jew......

Those ten represent the covenant of Gentile Christians grafted under the promise to the lost ten tribes.
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