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Old 11-18-2018, 04:25 PM
 
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I hope I am allowed to start this thread, I saw the other one, that had been locked, but it looks like that was closed due to the VERY long copy/paste and the jewish references.


This is a thread subject that is really very interesting to me, and I think it should be a great discussion, so lets avoid super long copy/pasting, and lets keep it a christian viewpoint,(if other denominations would like to discuss the same thing on their forum, thats great, but this is a christian board).


OK...


In another thread that this came up, I likened it to this scenario...you are married and have a family, some other guy is jealous of what you have and attempts to take your spot, rebels against you, etc. so you overcome him and cast him out of your life...BUT then you ALLOW him to still have access to and be able to influence your wife and kids...???


What kind of sense is that?

Satan raised issues against Gods universal sovereignty in the garden of Eden events. God wants 0 sin in his creation. Mortals have 0 say in that. He could have killed the 3 on the spot. It would only prove he was stronger. He is letting the issues be resolved once and for all time. And satan raised issues against the followers as well in the book of Job. All are involved. Gods kingdom will bring things back as God willed to begin with.

All is not as appears in a satan ruled system. 2Corinthians 11:12-15
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Old 11-18-2018, 04:48 PM
 
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Satan raised issues against Gods universal sovereignty in the garden of Eden events. God wants 0 sin in his creation. Mortals have 0 say in that. He could have killed the 3 on the spot. It would only prove he was stronger. He is letting the issues be resolved once and for all time. And satan raised issues against the followers as well in the book of Job. All are involved. Gods kingdom will bring things back as God willed to begin with.

All is not as appears in a satan ruled system. 2Corinthians 11:12-15
You got it, it is a moral challenge not a power one. How well is Satan doing? Look at today's morals.


Man has chosen what it wants. unfortunately the final decision is not theirs to make.
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Old 11-18-2018, 05:31 PM
 
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Do you listen to yourself?

Satan is a liar. Thus, it makes perfect sense that he would offer Jesus ownership of something Jesus was already guaranteed through obedience to the Father. Both in the fact that the devil was arrogant enough to assume the kingdoms of the world were REALLY his to give, and foolish enough to think Jesus had any reason to take anything from the devil.

What tripped the devil up was the fact Jesus could NEVER disobey the Father. But the devil was too preoccupied seeing Jesus the Man.
This is why it was a real test. Jesus' obedience was being tested just like Adam's was. If he could not fail, God gave us a foolish example of non-faithfulness, since faith is a choice. Jesus made the right choice and he had a real choice just as Adam did. Adam failed, Jesus passed it and Satan set up both tests so both could have failed in obedience to God.
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Old 11-18-2018, 05:43 PM
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Ah, now I get it. It's a JW thread!
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Old 11-18-2018, 08:19 PM
 
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Freewill. How could you identify a + if there was no -.
Bingo! We have a winner!
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Old 11-19-2018, 04:48 AM
 
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Freewill. How could you identify a + if there was no -.
Is there free will and a - in heaven?
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Old 11-19-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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Pharaohs did, the Caesars did and others. Just as easy for Satan to do so.
The Pharohs and Caesars currently have the ability to influence people that are alive?
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Old 11-19-2018, 12:09 PM
 
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The Pharohs and Caesars currently have the ability to influence people that are alive?
The did when they were alive and Satan is still allusive so he can do so.
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Old 11-19-2018, 12:50 PM
 
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The did when they were alive and Satan is still allusive so he can do so.
Satan's always alluding to this or that.
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Old 11-19-2018, 12:57 PM
 
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Satan's always alluding to this or that.
True, and I meant he is still "alive". Allusive is not wrong, but it isn't what I typed.
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