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Old 11-19-2018, 02:08 PM
 
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True, and I meant he is still "alive".
Only, in the soul of religion as it kicks against the Spirit.
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Old 11-20-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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The did when they were alive and Satan is still allusive so he can do so.
Why dont they still have this ability then? Just because they died shouldnt mean anything
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Old 11-23-2018, 03:23 PM
 
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Like, I said, do you ever listen to yourself talk?...Donít you people claim that Jesus is G-d?...And you donít think that Satan knew who he was talking to?...

And so..... why do you keep repeating this question as if it's really "the big smoking gun" kind of thing?
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Old 11-26-2018, 10:46 PM
 
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This is why it was a real test. Jesus' obedience was being tested just like Adam's was. If he could not fail, God gave us a foolish example of non-faithfulness, since faith is a choice. Jesus made the right choice and he had a real choice just as Adam did. Adam failed, Jesus passed it and Satan set up both tests so both could have failed in obedience to God.
Very well said, what is currently happening is Satan is battling for our souls. We are being tested but emulating the teachings, having strength and faith in Jesus will save the soul.
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Old 11-27-2018, 04:42 AM
 
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Very well said, what is currently happening is Satan is battling for our souls. We are being tested but emulating the teachings, having strength and faith in Jesus will save the soul.



Most throwing lip service Jesus' way, do not have a clue as to what he actually teaches.
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Old 11-27-2018, 07:34 AM
 
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Satan raised issues against Gods universal sovereignty in the garden of Eden events. God wants 0 sin in his creation. Mortals have 0 say in that. He could have killed the 3 on the spot. It would only prove he was stronger. He is letting the issues be resolved once and for all time. And satan raised issues against the followers as well in the book of Job. All are involved. Gods kingdom will bring things back as God willed to begin with.

All is not as appears in a satan ruled system. 2Corinthians 11:12-15
so why did god create sin?
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Old 11-27-2018, 08:20 AM
 
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responding to the question..."Why is the devil permitted to rule to world?" a couple of reasons, first, it was he as an wicked Angel, who allowed sin to enter him, (Ezek.28:13-18). that sin began with the lie he told Eve ,(Gen.3:4,5 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil). after Jehovah had already told Adam what would happen if he/they ate from a certain tree. Eve believed that lie, which meant she disobeyed God. they were to live forever, but where are they now?...dead! now satan thought he could turn anyone or everyone against God. because he did it with two perfect humans. who had NO other human who could had cause them to sin, as we do today. Adam and Eve thus became imperfect sinful beings. which caused every other human after them to be imperfect or sinners.

Jehovah could have destroyed satan in the Garden. but now many Angels at that point might had questioned if they really needed to obey God, since they also had free will. satan had already made Jehovah and Jesus world unclean. and he was going to turn as many humans as he can against Jehovah God. we can see this when he attached faithful Job ,(Job 1:6-12). he thought that if God allowed him to attack Job in MANY ways, he would curse God. Job NEVER did, satan was proven wrong. in fact he was so humble, though a righteous man, he thought he must have done something wrong and is being punished. satan tried again... this time with the same one who HELP his Father with ALL Creation ,(Pro.8:22-30 see also Colo.1:15,16), Jesus! satan knew he had a short time before he's destroyed ,(John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out). out of desperation, he tried to get Jesus to worship him ,(Matthew 4:1-11).

why Jesus?, satan knew if he could get Jesus to also disobey his Father. Jesus would lose his perfection, just as the first man, Adam did. and just as one perfect man cost us our lives, it took another perfect man to get back our lives! he also knew it would be Jesus who'll lead his Heavenly army on that great day of Armageddon. against wicked mankind as well as satan and his weak butt followers. he tried to get rid of Jesus when he was a small child, it didn't work then. satan for a while has a chance to prove that he can pull MANY away from Jehovah God. by making them NOT believe in him, even if Jesus had said, I have a Father and God ,(John 20:17). even if MANY have repeated what Jesus had said ,(John 3:16). and even if Jesus told us that we MUST learn who his Father is ,(John 17:3). or to follow Jesus lead denying ourselves ,(Luke 9:23). satan knows MANY will be destroyed, right alongside him, because we want to live as WE...please. this is why for a while satan rules the world. we can either follow him and die, or follow Jesus and live. peace
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Old 11-27-2018, 09:09 AM
 
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responding to the question..."Why is the devil permitted to rule to world?" a couple of reasons, first, it was he as an wicked Angel, who allowed sin to enter him, (Ezek.28:13-18). that sin began with the lie he told Eve ,(Gen.3:4,5 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil). after Jehovah had already told Adam what would happen if he/they ate from a certain tree. Eve believed that lie, which meant she disobeyed God. they were to live forever, but where are they now?...dead! now satan thought he could turn anyone or everyone against God. because he did it with two perfect humans. who had NO other human who could had cause them to sin, as we do today. Adam and Eve thus became imperfect sinful beings. which caused every other human after them to be imperfect or sinners.

Jehovah could have destroyed satan in the Garden. but now many Angels at that point might had questioned if they really needed to obey God, since they also had free will. satan had already made Jehovah and Jesus world unclean. and he was going to turn as many humans as he can against Jehovah God. we can see this when he attached faithful Job ,(Job 1:6-12). he thought that if God allowed him to attack Job in MANY ways, he would curse God. Job NEVER did, satan was proven wrong. in fact he was so humble, though a righteous man, he thought he must have done something wrong and is being punished. satan tried again... this time with the same one who HELP his Father with ALL Creation ,(Pro.8:22-30 see also Colo.1:15,16), Jesus! satan knew he had a short time before he's destroyed ,(John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out). out of desperation, he tried to get Jesus to worship him ,(Matthew 4:1-11).

why Jesus?, satan knew if he could get Jesus to also disobey his Father. Jesus would lose his perfection, just as the first man, Adam did. and just as one perfect man cost us our lives, it took another perfect man to get back our lives! he also knew it would be Jesus who'll lead his Heavenly army on that great day of Armageddon. against wicked mankind as well as satan and his weak butt followers. he tried to get rid of Jesus when he was a small child, it didn't work then. satan for a while has a chance to prove that he can pull MANY away from Jehovah God. by making them NOT believe in him, even if Jesus had said, I have a Father and God ,(John 20:17). even if MANY have repeated what Jesus had said ,(John 3:16). and even if Jesus told us that we MUST learn who his Father is ,(John 17:3). or to follow Jesus lead denying ourselves ,(Luke 9:23). satan knows MANY will be destroyed, right alongside him, because we want to live as WE...please. this is why for a while satan rules the world. we can either follow him and die, or follow Jesus and live. peace
Excellent points.
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Old 11-27-2018, 09:12 AM
 
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so why did god create sin?
God did not create sin.


Sin is disobedience to God. Satan is the first being to sin. Sin is not a physical thing, it is an action and free will allows that type of action. God gave Adam a command, don't eat from the tree or you will die. No sin present. Once Adam ate, disobeying God, sin for man entered into their life. Sin is the act of disobedience and no one had to be disobedient. It is still a choice.
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Old 11-27-2018, 11:02 AM
 
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God did not create sin.


Sin is disobedience to God. Satan is the first being to sin. Sin is not a physical thing, it is an action and free will allows that type of action. God gave Adam a command, don't eat from the tree or you will die. No sin present. Once Adam ate, disobeying God, sin for man entered into their life. Sin is the act of disobedience and no one had to be disobedient. It is still a choice.
Man is a sentient being capable of reasoning, if he has missed the mark, he usually learns from his mistakes. There is no reason to punish him, over and over again. Although, some may make the same mistake more than once. We are not a slave to religion, nor are we influenced by an entity that doesn't exist. Most errors come when we do not exercise sound judgment or in the heat of passion. But, as long as they are not life threatening, injurious, or that of creating harm to ourselves and others - it shouldn't be that big of a deal.
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