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Old 11-27-2018, 05:34 PM
 
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Man is a sentient being capable of reasoning, if he has missed the mark, he usually learns from his mistakes. There is no reason to punish him, over and over again. Although, some may make the same mistake more than once. We are not a slave to religion, nor are we influenced by an entity that doesn't exist. Most errors come when we do not exercise sound judgment or in the heat of passion. But, as long as they are not life threatening, injurious, or that of creating harm to ourselves and others - it shouldn't be that big of a deal.
Yes, man is a sentient being and makes mistakes. He also intentionally breaks laws, thus sins. His choice and all men make it.



Man is not being punished over and over again. One punishment exists, death. God also made provisions for those who do their best to obey Him, to be freed from that punishment.


The idea man can change is shown to be false, except when they follow Christ's example. Those that don't sin seriously again and again. Those who do follow it, rarely sin.



You are right we are not slaves to religion or at least should not be. Unfortunately the type of sins that are serious are not just up to man to decide. The condition of the world shows that is a failure.
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Old 11-27-2018, 07:09 PM
 
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This Christianity forum is not the usual Christian forum...it is about Christianity, not for Christians only,
so any one can join in. Good to be aware of.
It is about Christianity. And anyone can have postings about Christian related topics. So, why are activistí threads and postings about Universalism allowed? The answer is obvious.
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Old 11-27-2018, 07:16 PM
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It is about Christianity. And anyone can have postings about Christian related topics. So, why are activistí threads and postings about Universalism allowed? The answer is obvious.
Yes, it is.

Christianity comes in 35,000+ flavours. Some are dangerously stupid and wrong.

And the rest are liberal.
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Old 11-27-2018, 08:21 PM
 
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It is about Christianity. And anyone can have postings about Christian related topics. So, why are activist’ threads and postings about Universalism allowed? The answer is obvious.
Yes, Christian Universalism is a vibrant part of Christianity and has been since the beginning. Liberal Christianity is newer but is still part of Christianity. Your fundamentalist version is a dying version as true enlightenment spreads through the Christian communities. You seem to have an inordinately difficult time understanding and conforming to the TOS of this forum.

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Old 11-27-2018, 08:32 PM
 
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It is about Christianity. And anyone can have postings about Christian related topics. So, why are activistí threads and postings about Universalism allowed? The answer is obvious.
You advocate for division and separation, whereas, some of us don't.
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Old 11-27-2018, 10:40 PM
 
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God did not create sin.


Sin is disobedience to God. Satan is the first being to sin. Sin is not a physical thing, it is an action and free will allows that type of action. God gave Adam a command, don't eat from the tree or you will die. No sin present. Once Adam ate, disobeying God, sin for man entered into their life. Sin is the act of disobedience and no one had to be disobedient. It is still a choice.
If satan sinned, why is he not punished like everyone else?


Think about it for a minute...satan hates man, tries to overthrow heaven...and God casts him where...Down to earth to roam among humans????!! and have the ability to influence them, even to the point of referring to satan, as 'the ruler of this world' GEEZ!!! This is exactly what satan wanted!


God even goes to the extreme of creating a specific domain for satan and the fallen angels (hell), I dont recall God making a specific place for humans who rejected him, ...?


To me, the biggest sticking point is Satans ability to influence and 'rule' our world...he could not do this on his own...this ability had to come from God and be GIVEN to him....if he was THAT much of an adversary to God, giving him those abilities seems very odd.


Another thing on this...bible says hell will never prevail either...but the same bible says only few will achieve heaven, this kind of goes along with satan being the ruler of our world...if satan has managed to successfully draw that many people AWAY from God, that they cannot enter heaven....seems to me, hell has very much prevailed...in that, a large majority of Gods prized creation, rejected him and chose his adversary instead...


Either the bible was not that effective, God misjudged humans, or satan is more powerful than we assume.
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Old 11-28-2018, 06:04 AM
 
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If satan sinned, why is he not punished like everyone else?


Think about it for a minute...satan hates man, tries to overthrow heaven...and God casts him where...Down to earth to roam among humans????!! and have the ability to influence them, even to the point of referring to satan, as 'the ruler of this world' GEEZ!!! This is exactly what satan wanted!


God even goes to the extreme of creating a specific domain for satan and the fallen angels (hell), I dont recall God making a specific place for humans who rejected him, ...?


To me, the biggest sticking point is Satans ability to influence and 'rule' our world...he could not do this on his own...this ability had to come from God and be GIVEN to him....if he was THAT much of an adversary to God, giving him those abilities seems very odd.


Another thing on this...bible says hell will never prevail either...but the same bible says only few will achieve heaven, this kind of goes along with satan being the ruler of our world...if satan has managed to successfully draw that many people AWAY from God, that they cannot enter heaven....seems to me, hell has very much prevailed...in that, a large majority of Gods prized creation, rejected him and chose his adversary instead...


Either the bible was not that effective, God misjudged humans, or satan is more powerful than we assume.
Or Satan works for G-d...
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Old 11-28-2018, 07:03 AM
 
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If satan sinned, why is he not punished like everyone else?


Think about it for a minute...satan hates man, tries to overthrow heaven...and God casts him where...Down to earth to roam among humans????!! and have the ability to influence them, even to the point of referring to satan, as 'the ruler of this world' GEEZ!!! This is exactly what satan wanted!


God even goes to the extreme of creating a specific domain for satan and the fallen angels (hell), I dont recall God making a specific place for humans who rejected him, ...?


To me, the biggest sticking point is Satans ability to influence and 'rule' our world...he could not do this on his own...this ability had to come from God and be GIVEN to him....if he was THAT much of an adversary to God, giving him those abilities seems very odd.


Another thing on this...bible says hell will never prevail either...but the same bible says only few will achieve heaven, this kind of goes along with satan being the ruler of our world...if satan has managed to successfully draw that many people AWAY from God, that they cannot enter heaven....seems to me, hell has very much prevailed...in that, a large majority of Gods prized creation, rejected him and chose his adversary instead...


Either the bible was not that effective, God misjudged humans, or satan is more powerful than we assume.
According to the Bible Satan will be punished. He was sentenced to the lake of fire, but the sentence was not carried out immediately. Satan will be sent to the lake of fire at the end of the Millennial kingdom of Christ according to Revelation 20:10. Prior to that, Satan will be sent to the pit for the duration of the Millennial kingdom, and then released for a little while at the end of the Millennial kingdom at which time he will incite an overt rebellion against God. God will put a swift end to that rebellion and then send Satan and his angels into the lake of fire forever along with those members of the human race who did not come to Christ for salvation.

In the meantime Satan is being given an opportunity to prove his boast that he can rule as well as God. It may be that Satan appealed his sentencing to the lake of fire, calling it unjust. In perfect fairness and in justice God is giving Satan the chance during human history to rule in order to demonstrate that he is not able to effectively rule. As well, God allows sin and evil to run its full course during human history in order to demonstrate the results of rebellion against Him.

Satan is a created being who rebelled against God, but he is not as powerful as God and can only do what God permits him to.
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Old 11-28-2018, 07:57 AM
 
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According to the Bible Satan will be punished. He was sentenced to the lake of fire, but the sentence was not carried out immediately. Satan will be sent to the lake of fire at the end of the Millennial kingdom of Christ according to Revelation 20:10. Prior to that, Satan will be sent to the pit for the duration of the Millennial kingdom, and then released for a little while at the end of the Millennial kingdom at which time he will incite an overt rebellion against God. God will put a swift end to that rebellion and then send Satan and his angels into the lake of fire forever along with those members of the human race who did not come to Christ for salvation.

In the meantime Satan is being given an opportunity to prove his boast that he can rule as well as God. It may be that Satan appealed his sentencing to the lake of fire, calling it unjust. In perfect fairness and in justice God is giving Satan the chance during human history to rule in order to demonstrate that he is not able to effectively rule. As well, God allows sin and evil to run its full course during human history in order to demonstrate the results of rebellion against Him.

Satan is a created being who rebelled against God, but he is not as powerful as God and can only do what God permits him to.
If he rebelled, then at one time, he was good. But Jesus says he was a murderer from the beginning?
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:07 AM
 
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Mans self- centeredness, and desire to follow the flesh contributes greatly to satans rule.
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