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Old 11-16-2018, 07:10 AM
 
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Freewill. How could you identify a + if there was no -.
So that means Satan is just doing exactly what he is created for though...no rebelling or battling with God, getting tossed out of heaven, etc
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:16 AM
 
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Do what?...😳
Not sure what you do not understand?


If you have an enemy that wants to take your spot (job, family, whatever), would you still allow him to have access to people you love and care about after you threw him out?


Its similar to what christians believe...satan wanted to take Gods throne for himself, he battled with God, some other angels took his side and ultimately they were all thrown out of heaven for this rebellion...and yet they were cast down to earth...AMONG US HUMANS!!! LOL That sounds like locking the fox INSIDE the hen house, as a form of punishment...in other words, giving satan exactly what he wanted.
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:20 AM
 
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The killings are mostly being perpetrated by Evangelical lead factions..

Well in the OT times, God instructed his faithful to 'slaughter blasphemers without mercy', to kill entire towns of people if just one blasphemer is found there, sending 2 bears to kill a group of kids for making fun of a balding man, etc etc...?
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:33 AM
 
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There is scripture in both the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures to explain this but sometimes people are turned off simply by copying and pasting scriptures. So...

Try thinking of it this way. Teacher in a classroom. Teacher is instructing students on navigating life. A student thinks he can do better and doesn't need to listen anymore. He accuses the teacher of deceit. He leads some students to believe they can do just as well. What should the teacher do? He can kick them out never to be heard from again and continue on with the other students. But what would that accomplish? What would the remaining students and those that follow conceivably think? "Hey do you think it's true? Is the teacher keeping us from realizing our full potential? Is there an alternative way than what we are taught? Could those expelled students be correct?" Do we need further instruction from this teacher?"

Instead, why not allow those students to prove their point. The teacher would still instruct those who want to listen but they would have the choice of following the other students. Yes it will be a painful experience but ultimately the damage that is inflicted by these rebel students and those who follow is temporary. Ultimately, once the issue is settled at some future date, anyone who attempts to raise the issue again will be gone. The teacher (God) would at that time simply act to prevent reliving the past.
Very good illustration.
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:35 AM
 
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The killings are mostly being perpetrated by Evangelical lead factions..

Factually just the opposite.
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:36 AM
 
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The freewill argument is nonsense. We’re led to believe that evil and good are a choice between god or hell/satan. So, man exists for centuries with no evidence of either a god or devil, yet when this great experiment is completed, those who blindly believed in the Jesus character, have eternal life with no evil choices to make. I see no difference in just creating heaven to start with. It makes no sense to program created mortal creatures with the knowledge of evil when evil will not exist in heaven. Are we to believe that Christians would just stop sinning in heaven? My guess is the glorified immortal bodies will not be weak like the mortal bodies, so why start with corruption?
Lack of understanding and actually reading all the Bible, leads to conclusions like this.
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:37 AM
 
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Not sure what you do not understand?


If you have an enemy that wants to take your spot (job, family, whatever), would you still allow him to have access to people you love and care about after you threw him out?


Its similar to what christians believe...satan wanted to take Gods throne for himself, he battled with God, some other angels took his side and ultimately they were all thrown out of heaven for this rebellion...and yet they were cast down to earth...AMONG US HUMANS!!! LOL That sounds like locking the fox INSIDE the hen house, as a form of punishment...in other words, giving satan exactly what he wanted.
Adam and Eve rebelled thus opening the door to the hen house. God let them have what they wanted, so show how stupid they were.
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:50 AM
 
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Adam and Eve rebelled thus opening the door to the hen house. God let them have what they wanted, so show how stupid they were.
Nope...
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:52 AM
 
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Not sure what you do not understand?


If you have an enemy that wants to take your spot (job, family, whatever), would you still allow him to have access to people you love and care about after you threw him out?


Its similar to what christians believe...satan wanted to take Gods throne for himself, he battled with God, some other angels took his side and ultimately they were all thrown out of heaven for this rebellion...and yet they were cast down to earth...AMONG US HUMANS!!! LOL That sounds like locking the fox INSIDE the hen house, as a form of punishment...in other words, giving satan exactly what he wanted.
Yet, that is not accurate...
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Old 11-16-2018, 08:00 AM
 
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Adam and Eve rebelled thus opening the door to the hen house. God let them have what they wanted, so show how stupid they were.
Was Adam and Eves eating of the fruit evil?

If so they wouldn’t have known what evil actually is until AFTER eating the fruit, right expactCA?
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