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Old 01-02-2019, 02:31 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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To fundies it is.
it is when it suits their doctrines, then it is spiritual when it doesnít
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Old 01-02-2019, 02:48 PM
 
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I have memorized most of it throughout the years, and there is nothing about them never being sick or knowing only that which is good, nor anything about them living forever. And there is no such thing as a fallen angel called SATAN. God knew the desires of man, and gave them over to them.
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Is the book of Job in your book? Then who confronted YHVH?
What does it mean to come 'before' the Lord? Who was it that represents him on earth?
And who are the sons of god who came 'before' the Lord with this human adversary?

Let me just say, they weren't literal angels. Rather, they were human 'messengers' of God.
Perhaps, you should come back down to earth from that lofty (self-exalted) position you hold.
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Old 01-02-2019, 02:51 PM
 
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Is the book of Job recording literal history though?
It's a literary writing which attempted to answer the age old question of:

"Why do bad things happen to good people."
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Old 01-02-2019, 03:53 PM
 
Location: US
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I was referring to general position, head of the household, husband, boyfriend, father, etc.


The same way God holds the highest position in heaven, we are taught satan was jealous of 'Gods position', and he wanted to take it for himself, my analogy I used a husband/father, head of household to make my point, the man holds that position, he is the head of household, husband, father, etc.


but really, no matter what spot/position, the same thing would still apply...lets say its a job position, someone else is jealous that you hold that position and tries to take it away from you...would it make any sense for you to still ALLOW this person access to your job duties, of course not, you would want him as far away as possible, you wouldnt even want him to be allowed on the job site anymore!
Where do you get this jealousy angle?...
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Old 01-02-2019, 03:56 PM
 
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What did I get from a watchtower publication? You talk as if that would be a bad thing. Yet worldwide, by the usage of the watchtower every Jw gets the same spiritual feeding weekly, same bible reading weekly, etc-1Corinthians 1:10- unity of thought, no division. It helps get this accomplished. I know my teachers listen to Jesus.
And ya got it from a watchtower publicatio, not the Bible...
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Old 01-02-2019, 05:28 PM
 
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Where do you find this at?...
If you actually read the Bible, particularly the OT you would know it. It is all through it as God has spoken of what is yet to come after Satan is gone and disobedient humans are gone. You know like the wolf and the Lamb lying down together. He also stated that nothing he intends will not occur so he has told us he will reverse what Satan and Adam caused. Try actually reading the Bible.
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Old 01-02-2019, 05:32 PM
 
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And ya got it from a watchtower publicatio, not the Bible...
If you actually read what he did, you would find the scriptures that speak of it.
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Old 01-02-2019, 05:35 PM
 
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What does it mean to come 'before' the Lord? Who was it that represents him on earth?
And who are the sons of god who came 'before' the Lord with this human adversary?

Let me just say, they weren't literal angels. Rather, they were human 'messengers' of God.
Perhaps, you should come back down to earth from that lofty (self-exalted) position you hold.
Your proof, not just your opinion?
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Old 01-02-2019, 06:36 PM
 
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Your proof, not just your opinion?
Exactly.
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Old 01-02-2019, 07:06 PM
 
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I have memorized most of it throughout the years, and there is nothing about them never being sick or knowing only that which is good, nor anything about them living forever. And there is no such thing as a fallen angel called SATAN. God knew the desires of man, and gave them over to them.
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Originally Posted by Jerwade View Post
What does it mean to come 'before' the Lord? Who was it that represents him on earth?
And who are the sons of god who came 'before' the Lord with this human adversary?

Let me just say, they weren't literal angels. Rather, they were human 'messengers' of God.
Perhaps, you should come back down to earth from that lofty (self-exalted) position you hold.
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Your proof, not just your opinion?
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Exactly.
Read the Bible without a preconceived theology or opinion ...and you just might find it.
It would probably help - if you disregarded all the mythology that you have swallowed.
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