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Old 01-03-2019, 03:39 PM
 
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Man rules the world, and that's far worse than the devil. The devil has little power compared to what man is capable of.

The "man", known as the "beast", which would be in the real sense, the emperor/ruler, gets his "authority" from the "dragon" (Revelation 13:4), which according to Revelation 20:2, is the devil. That man is easily manipulated, could be in the present sense, partially the fault of our education system, and more the fault of the shepherds, described in Ezekiel 34, who eat the fat of the sheep, and do not feed the sheep.
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Old 01-03-2019, 03:49 PM
 
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I was taught Satan was jealous of Gods position, he wanted to be worshiped, he wanted Gods power for himself, and that was why he attempted to overthrow heaven and turn other angels to his side.
And who taught you this?...
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Old 01-03-2019, 04:50 PM
 
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I was taught Satan was jealous of Gods position, he wanted to be worshiped, he wanted Gods power for himself, and that was why he attempted to overthrow heaven and turn other angels to his side.
::Sigh::
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:43 PM
 
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You might actually try reading the bible. Judah and Jerusalem have already been "restored" (Joel 3:1) as the nation of Israel. Har-Magedon, which precedes the gathering out of the nations, the "house of Israel", is waiting in the wings (Ezekiel 36:24), and will provide a smelter to "purify the sons of Levi".. "so they may present to the LORD offerings in righteousness" (Malachi 3:3). As for when "My Servant David" will come and "judge" between the "sheep" and the "goats" (Ezekiel 34:17), and he will be the "one shepherd", and "will deliver the flock" from the "shepherds" who eat the fat of the flock (Ezekiel 34:3), is "at the door" (Matthew 24:33). The resettlement of the combined Judah and Ephraim (house of Israel), on the "land I gave to Jacob", is also "at the door" (Ezekiel 37:15-28). As for when "I will destroy all the nations (Gentiles) where I have scattered you (Jacob), that is also "at the door". Judah and Ephraim (house of Israel) were to be under judgement for 2 days/2000 years (Hosea 6:2).
The End is coming, but there is no Nation of Israel, all 12 tribes plus the Levites today. In the 6th century BC Jerusalem was destroyed because of the apostasy of the Nation (yes the 10 tries were taken into exile before that) and it was decades later some got back. Today no real nation, no priesthood, no Temple, no obedience to the laws. for nearly 2000 years; which indicates god has rejected them as a nation even today. What did they do? They did what Satan wanted. they followed his desires.
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Old 01-05-2019, 06:42 AM
 
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The End is coming, but there is no Nation of Israel, all 12 tribes plus the Levites today. In the 6th century BC Jerusalem was destroyed because of the apostasy of the Nation (yes the 10 tries were taken into exile before that) and it was decades later some got back. Today no real nation, no priesthood, no Temple, no obedience to the laws. for nearly 2000 years; which indicates god has rejected them as a nation even today. What did they do? They did what Satan wanted. they followed his desires.
Nope...
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Old 01-05-2019, 04:25 PM
 
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Nope...
Yep.


It was far worse than what caused jerusalem to be destroyed and that only lasted 70 years and then the Nation was back and later the Temple built. Not now so far worse and not corrected by the Nation yet so no favor of God at all.
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Old 01-05-2019, 04:40 PM
 
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Yep.


It was far worse than what caused jerusalem to be destroyed and that only lasted 70 years and then the Nation was back and later the Temple built. Not now so far worse and not corrected by the Nation yet so no favor of God at all.
Nope...You’re So wrong...
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Old 01-05-2019, 06:18 PM
 
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Nope...You’re So wrong...
Please try giving an explanation instead of ignoring the issue.
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Old 01-05-2019, 07:04 PM
 
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Just wondering if that Christian only worked?
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Old 01-05-2019, 07:51 PM
 
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Just wondering if that Christian only worked?
Yep, the question was about Satan ruling and he did and does. He did in 33AD, though he lost his claim and he still does yet for a short time today, until the final loss occurs. How other religions may view it can be interesting but the thread was about Christianity.
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