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Old 11-16-2018, 12:37 PM
 
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Permitted to rule? By whose authority?

I will try to paraphrase what I was told once, about 30 years ago, by a literal stranger (in every sense of the word). I had never had seen this person before, nor have I since but he called me by my name & used terminology that much, much later I would recognize as referencing Quantum Physics. He said he came to warn me about the darkness. He made predictions & they all came true.

Many times, he referred to the darkness as “they” vs “it”. The darkness was alive, powerful & malevolent. It was an intelligent, evil, dark energy & not a lone deity but an army that gained strength not by addition but by subtraction.

The only way the darkness could grow was when Man surrendered their light.

It was immediately clear that the devil was the personification of the darkness. If the devil appears to be ruling the world; he only does so by our authority & that will be evidenced by the weakness of Man.

The brighter the light of the human; the more coveted their surrender. Some lights were predicted; their arrival here on earth was foretold & darkness would lie in wait but powerless to take; it instead had to persuade.

Addiction is surrender & it’s spectrum much more broad than the common perception of drugs, alcohol, sex, gambling, shopping, etc ... Power is addicting & so is money. Laziness is addicting.

Evidence of the devil is not limited to instances of war, genocide or individuals such as Hitler. When promising priests (bright light) succumb to sexual deviancy; that is a surrender of light. When great leaders (bright light) are corrupted with bribes; that is a surrender of light. When talented young musicians (bright light) die of a drug overdose; that is a surrender of light. And the darkness appears to be growing but it’s actually the light that is dimming.

The devil can’t rule unless he has been chosen. The brighter your light; the more adversity & “crutches” for such will appear in your way.

A lot more was said that is difficult to paraphrase; the analogy of devil to darkness was an easier grasp for me than some of the more “Einstein-esque” mentions of a literal 4th dimension & other such theories. This whole lecture was delivered by a young (30’s?), diminutive man with curly auburn hair & beard, wearing too-big clothing & riding a bicycle. For years I referred to him as “The Leprechaun”, so there’s that but I wasn’t able to find his “darkness” analogy as flawed.
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:10 PM
 
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Was Adam and Eve's eating of the fruit evil?
If so they wouldn’t have known what evil actually is until AFTER eating the fruit, right expactCA?
Sure they knew (Had knowledge - Genesis 2:17) of what evil actually is (was).
I say that because connecting the dots, so to speak, they were told that the evil was ' death '.
So, it was Not just ' eating of the fruit ' but more like stealing fruit from God's forbidden tree.
By God saying, "do not touch.... " was as if God put up a No trespassing sign on His tree.
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:12 PM
 
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First you have to understand what the word 'evil" means in context.
7451 [r; ra` {rah}
Meaning: adj 1) bad, evil 1a) bad, disagreeable, malignant 1b) bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery) 1c) evil, displeasing 1d) bad (of its kind - land, water, etc) 1e) bad (of value) 1f) worse than, worst (comparison) 1g) sad, unhappy 1h) evil (hurtful) 1i) bad, unkind (vicious in disposition) 1j) bad, evil, wicked (ethically) 1j1) in general, of persons, of thoughts 1j2) deeds, actions n m 2) evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity 2a) evil, distress, adversity 2b) evil, injury, wrong 2c) evil (ethical) n f 3) evil, misery, distress, injury 3a) evil, misery, distress 3b) evil, injury, wrong 3c) evil (ethical)
It is bad, giving pain and misery, distress, etc. They knew the repercussions thus knowing it was evil/bad to disobey God.
ASV Genesis 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
They knew it was bad or evil to do it. They even knew it would be an evil act and bad for them.
ASV Genesis 3:3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Then Satan did two things and and Adam chose the bad and brought the evil on them.
ASV Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Accepted that God was a liar.
ASV Genesis 3:5 for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil.
They would be the ones to decide what was good and evil, not God. Thus making their own rules.
From that day on they experienced bad, not just having knowledge of what was bad. They brought it on their children and all humanity. Say thank you Adam.
I found the ^ above ^ to be informative and pleased you posted the ^ above ^. Thanks
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:16 PM
 
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First you have to understand what the word 'evil" means in context.


7451 [r; ra` {rah}
Meaning: adj 1) bad, evil 1a) bad, disagreeable, malignant 1b) bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery) 1c) evil, displeasing 1d) bad (of its kind - land, water, etc) 1e) bad (of value) 1f) worse than, worst (comparison) 1g) sad, unhappy 1h) evil (hurtful) 1i) bad, unkind (vicious in disposition) 1j) bad, evil, wicked (ethically) 1j1) in general, of persons, of thoughts 1j2) deeds, actions n m 2) evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity 2a) evil, distress, adversity 2b) evil, injury, wrong 2c) evil (ethical) n f 3) evil, misery, distress, injury 3a) evil, misery, distress 3b) evil, injury, wrong 3c) evil (ethical)



It is bad, giving pain and misery, distress, etc. They knew the repercussions thus knowing it was evil/bad to disobey God.


ASV Genesis 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


They knew it was bad or evil to do it. They even knew it would be an evil act and bad for them.


ASV Genesis 3:3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.


Then Satan did two things and and Adam chose the bad and brought the evil on them.


ASV Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:


Accepted that God was a liar.


ASV Genesis 3:5 for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil.


They would be the ones to decide what was good and evil, not God. Thus making their own rules.


From that day on they experienced bad, not just having knowledge of what was bad. They brought it on their children and all humanity. Say thank you Adam.
Prove that it was satan in Gan Eden...
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:17 PM
 
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Nope, he was created to obey and chose to rebel. Freewill allows both choices and God lets everyone make the choice.
Nope, angels do not have free will...
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:18 PM
 
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Satan is a created being whose authority is to roam the earth ("seeking whom he may devour") - and fill the 'truth void' created in and by those who will not believe, trust and obey God. He does not RULE the world, but, is worshiped by those who love the world more than God. As a created being, Satan is not equal to God and has no authority over God.

Satan is subject to God's authority and is already a defeated, along with sin and death; his end and destruction are already determined. Satan cannot and does not force anyone to do anything, but, will gladly lead all who follow their flesh and his ways astray. Likewise, God does not 'force' anyone to do anything, but, leads and saves all who follow His ways and truths.

In short, Satan's limitations come from God, but, his authority in human lives comes from man. James 4:7, further declares, "Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." - Some imagine they are resisting Satan in their own power, but, unless one is submitted to God and resisting in God's power, they are deceived. There is no middle ground between submitting to God or submitting to Satan!
Nope...
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:20 PM
 
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Your scenario is faulty. Each person has a choice to make whom they will be influenced by. If you overcome the devil, then you cast him out of your life. If you do not, then it is evidence that you have NOT overcome the devil. But... it's your decision. Not the devil's. Your wife and kids have the same individual choice. Humans either obey him by choice when they allow themselves to be ruled over by their natural carnal impulses - or they choose to follow the will of God as their father. If they choose the latter, Satan has no power over them.

The devil doesn't rule the world. The devil temporarily rules over carnal humans who choose to do the devil's will in accordance with their natures. The devil doesn't rule over nature, or over animals or over plants or over the fate of the earth. He rules over fallen humans.

Jesus is the king of all creation. The world is HIS. Satan is just rebelling and causing others to rebel.
Nope...No rebellion out of Satan...
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:21 PM
 
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Yes, Satan has no right of rule. His rule is not given to him by God. People give him the power of ruler ship by allowing him to guide and direct them. This is both at an individual level and a a National/Governmental level.



Like Adam, people are choosing one or the other as there are only those two choices.
That’s your Yetzer HaRa and your Yetzer HaTov at work...
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:22 PM
 
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Actually Jesus' rulership is in conflict with Satan's. Satan rules the world and Nations by their acceptance and following his ways. Jesus is still at war with such which is why we still pray for that kingdom to come and God's will to be done on earth.



Satan is in rebellion and the "world" has accepted his rulership.





Jesus was very plain about this.


KJV John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.


NKJ John 14:30 "I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me.


The Greek word used in this spot is Archon which means.

758 a;rcwn archon {ar'-khone}
Meaning: 1) a ruler, commander, chief, leader
Nope...
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:57 PM
 
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Sure they knew (Had knowledge - Genesis 2:17) of what evil actually is (was).
I say that because connecting the dots, so to speak, they were told that the evil was ' death '.
So, it was Not just ' eating of the fruit ' but more like stealing fruit from God's forbidden tree.
By God saying, "do not touch.... " was as if God put up a No trespassing sign on His tree.
Are Adam and Eve in heaven right now? In hell or just nonexistent?
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