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oh I must have misunderstood. I assumed by reading other threads that you were a mormon, and I thought the "cain and dna" was something taught by the lds church. I just wanted to know what it was...not to fight over if it was "right or wrong" to believe it..
sorry
I am Mormon. I have never heard of any link between Book of Mormon people and the mark of Cain.
Do you all want to discuss the DNA of Book of Mormon people? I would caution you that in such discussions we are all at a disadvantage because of the "asymmetry of knowledge" inhernet in such a discussion. In other words, unless you are a PhD in genetics with a research interest in DNA of indigenous people of North and South America, I think it would be easy to get swept away with pseudo-science, much like the global warming scare (which I think is bogus).
Before we discuss, I would ask you if your faith is based on physical proof? Do you all need physical proof to confirm you belief in God and the Bible?
I am Mormon. I have never heard of any link between Book of Mormon people and the mark of Cain.
Do you all want to discuss the DNA of Book of Mormon people? I would caution you that in such discussions we are all at a disadvantage because of the "asymmetry of knowledge" inhernet in such a discussion. In other words, unless you are a PhD in genetics with a research interest in DNA of indigenous people of North and South America, I think it would be easy to get swept away with pseudo-science, much like the global warming scare (which I think is bogus).
Before we discuss, I would ask you if your faith is based on physical proof? Do you all need physical proof to confirm you belief in God and the Bible?
nope dont want to get into it...just never heard it before....
didnt mean to fire you up...
For those interested. Nephi and Laman were brothers, Laman was older and rebellious, Nephi was younger and chosen by God to lead. The author of part of the book of mormon is Nephi. As told in the BOM Laman would not listen to Nephi and follow his guidance and therefore Laman and his followers were cursed with dark skin.
2 Nephi chapter 5 verses 20-22
Wherefore the word of the Lord was fulfilled which he spake unto me saying that: Inasmuch as they will not hearken unto thy words they shall be cut off from the presence of the Lord. And behold they were cut of from his presence
And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. for behold they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; Wherefore, as they were white and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
And thus saith the Lord God; I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy peoplesave they shall repent of their iniquities
For those interested. Nephi and Laman were brothers, Laman was older and rebellious, Nephi was younger and chosen by God to lead. The author of part of the book of mormon is Nephi. As told in the BOM Laman would not listen to Nephi and follow his guidance and therefore Laman and his followers were cursed with dark skin.
2 Nephi chapter 5 verses 20-22
Wherefore the word of the Lord was fulfilled which he spake unto me saying that: Inasmuch as they will not hearken unto thy words they shall be cut off from the presence of the Lord. And behold they were cut of from his presence
And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. for behold they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; Wherefore, as they were white and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
And thus saith the Lord God; I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy peoplesave they shall repent of their iniquities
oohhhhh...
this is separate from cain though right?
For those interested. Nephi and Laman were brothers, Laman was older and rebellious, Nephi was younger and chosen by God to lead. The author of part of the book of mormon is Nephi. As told in the BOM Laman would not listen to Nephi and follow his guidance and therefore Laman and his followers were cursed with dark skin.
2 Nephi chapter 5 verses 20-22
Wherefore the word of the Lord was fulfilled which he spake unto me saying that: Inasmuch as they will not hearken unto thy words they shall be cut off from the presence of the Lord. And behold they were cut of from his presence
And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. for behold they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; Wherefore, as they were white and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
And thus saith the Lord God; I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy peoplesave they shall repent of their iniquities
Okay so, Laman received a mark, not unlike CAIN (not that it matters either way), and then passed it on to His offspring which became the Lamanites, which wiped out every single Nephite, so there you have the DNA difference. I think that there is a difference in the DNA when your skin changes to black. Not a Biophysicist, but i think that is accurate.
So the original Tribe of Israel would not be apparent in the Lamanites, or in the Native Americans, because Nephi and His offspring were all killed?
I am not attempting to hi-jack this thread, and I most assuredly do not wish to start another Mormon bashing thread...so just hear me out on this one.
I don't believe there were any descendants of the House of Israel on the American continant at the time the happenings in the Book of Mormon supposedly took place. There is no geneological evidence that semetic people ever visited this land at that time. I know that doesn't change what you believe (or thousands of others), but you should know that it makes no difference to us in proving the validity of the BOM. I have never seen actual proof of anything that is contained in the BOM. There have been no archeological findings of anything from that civilization (no currency, buildings, etc.). If I understand it correctly (let me know if I'm wrong), even the Mormon scholars are unsure to the exact location of the society documented in the BOM.
I know there are many things in the Bible yet to be discovered, but the fact remains that even some of the oldest places in the Bible are known to scholars. The main cities in the Bible are still known to us today. There have been findings that corroborate not only cities, but rulers, money, landmarks, etc. When nothing like these have been found to back-up the BOM, how do you all reconcile this and find it in your hearts to believe it as fact?
This is a sincere question and is directed at the LDS people on this board. Please only answer if you are a LDS believer. Thanks!
I am not an archeological scholar, nor a DNA scholar, but I know that at the time Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon, much of what we know about the ancient ihabitants of the Americas was not generally known. The Book of Mormon is an account of a highly civilized people living anciently in the Americas which would have been a pretty amazing guess if Joseph Smith was just making this all up.
As far as DNA, did you know that modern Jews in different parts of the world don't even share much of the the same gene pool? So who is to be the gold standard? Which modern group of Jews? Furthermore, did you know that Lehi and his family were not Jewish? Yes they lived among the Jews and most certainly shared some of the gene pool, but as you see it can become pretty complicated. Did you also know that another group of people came to the Americas after Lehi and they were at least part Jewish , and they later mixed with descendents of Lehi? Shall we go on? And if I could prove conclusively that the American Indian descended from Middle Eastern people, and I can't--but if I could, would you believe the Book of Mormon? I don't think so. I'm not sure you would believe with any degree of physical proof--and I wouldn't either--at least from a religious faith point of view. The Book of Mormon is its own proof--in my humble opinion. Read it and cross reference it with the Bible and ponder its message. Then you can pray about it and you will come to know of its truthfulness by the power of God.
Do I sound harsh? I hope not. I am tired and I need to go to sleep. I am giving you my point of view. I hope that you will consider what I have to say.
Okay so, Laman received a mark, not unlike CAIN (not that it matters either way), and then passed it on to His offspring which became the Lamanites, which wiped out every single Nephite, so there you have the DNA difference. I think that there is a difference in the DNA when your skin changes to black. Not a Biophysicist, but i think that is accurate.
So the original Tribe of Israel would not be apparent in the Lamanites, or in the Native Americans, because Nephi and His offspring were all killed?
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The DNA that is referenced and used for tracking down related nations is mitochondrial DNA which does not code for skin color.
Please Doji!! Don't listen to this nonsense. These posts are stream of conciousness musings of people who know just enough to be very dangerous, and can be aptly described as horse manure!
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I know it was not Mormon doctrine, that is why I was asking him to provide scriptural confirmation of his claim. He wasn't able to.
Sorry, but there's no proof Christ was ever in America.
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