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You're welcome. I just revised my initial comment to include another couple of thoughts. If you have the time and are so inclined, I'd appreciate your sharing your perspective.
I think you said it very well. And I tend to agree based on the text that the resurrection body will not have blood but very much will have flesh and bone. It'll be interesting to find out just what the resurrection body is fully capable of once we are resurrected.
The Jehovah's Witnesses do have some unorthodox beliefs. Their take on Jesus' resurrection body not being physical reminds me of docetism which was a belief of some that Jesus really didn't have a body and only seemed to be human. It was a denial that Jesus had come in the flesh.
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To be absent with the Body is to be Present with the Lord
Today, you shall be with me in Paradise.
So when we die, as a Christian, let's say right now, we are immediately with our God.
Then....later....our bodies are resurrected. Let's say in a decade.
Yet... if we taken on a glorified body, why do we need our Physical bodies resurrected? I mean, it reads
All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Eclesiastes 3
Maybe only those bodies which haven't rot yet are risen? Thanks
Believers go immediately to be with the Lord in the spirit. Believers get their glorified bodies in the rapture, it will be exactly like the Lords was. We will be flesh and bone NO blood, and be powered by the Holy Spirit eternally. Keep looking up.
A physical body would break down a door or wall. Only a spirit body would Not.
Before God sent the pre-human Jesus to Earth, Jesus had a spirit body.
Since Jesus used different 'materialized bodies' after he was resurrected shows he had a spirit body that could Not be seen.
Since you guys are talking about it:
What body did Jesus have when He met with Abraham at the end of Genesis 14?
Or when He went to check out Sodom and Gomorrah and stopped to eat with Abraham and Sarah?
Or when He wrestled with Jacob?
Or when He was in the fire with the 3 Hebrew children?
Was that Jesus, or an angel, or a different incarnation of God, or did He even have a physical body then?
Just thought I'd add something to complicate the conversation a little bit.
You misunderstand. The resurrection body is the glorified body. When we die, the soul and spirit of the believer separates from the body and goes into the presence of the Lord in Heaven while the body goes into the grave. There may or may not be an interim body of sorts in heaven, Revelation 7:9-13 suggests that there is. But that is not the resurrection body which will indeed be a glorified spiritual body that is yet a body of flesh, just as Jesus' resurrected body was and is flesh. Recall that Jesus demonstrated to His apostles after He had been raised, that He was not a spirit, but that He was flesh and bone. The resurrection body is a glorified physical body that is spiritual, but not spirit.
Luke 24:39 "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."
It is not God's plan for the believer to go through eternity as an immaterial spirit.
To be absent with the Body is to be Present with the Lord
Today, you shall be with me in Paradise.
So when we die, as a Christian, let's say right now, we are immediately with our God.
Then....later....our bodies are resurrected. Let's say in a decade.
Yet... if we taken on a glorified body, why do we need our Physical bodies resurrected? I mean, it reads
All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Eclesiastes 3
Maybe only those bodies which haven't rot yet are risen? Thanks
The way I understand it, EVERY physical body of EVERY person that has EVER lived, will walk the earth again when this happens.the ground and the sea will give up their dead.
Ive wondered about this event too, but I imagine it will not look like 'return of the living dead' or something similar, with skeletons and rotting corpses suddenly alive and walking around again.
They will probably return to the condition to when they were alive.
Believers go immediately to be with the Lord in the spirit. Believers get their glorified bodies in the rapture, it will be exactly like the Lords was. We will be flesh and bone NO blood, and be powered by the Holy Spirit eternally. Keep looking up.
That’s not what your good book says. You will be dirt napping until jusus returns. Learn your bible.
1 Thessalonians 4:14–16
14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again,u and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.v 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord,w will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.x 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven,y with a loud command, with the voice of the archangelz and with the trumpet call of God,a and the dead in Christ will rise first.
That’s not what your good book says. You will be dirt napping until jusus returns. Learn your bible.
1 Thessalonians 4:14–16
14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again,u and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.v 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord,w will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.x 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven,y with a loud command, with the voice of the archangelz and with the trumpet call of God,a and the dead in Christ will rise first.
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Originally Posted by The Last Amalekite 1Sam15
Pick and choose.
The word 'sleep' in the Bible is used as a metaphor for physical death. Physical death is simply the separation of the soul and spirit from the body. The soul and spirit of the believer go into the presence of the Lord in heaven. This is seen in Revelation 7:9-15 which refers to martyred Tribulational saints who are in heaven.
In 1 Thessalonians 4:14-16 Paul is referring to the rapture and resurrection of the church which both occur as part of the same event. The ones who 'God will bring with Jesus' are those who, having died, are with the Lord in heaven.
When in Philippians 1:23 Paul spoke of desiring to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better, he wasn't referring to being asleep in some grave, for Jesus is not said in the Bible to be in a grave, but having risen, is at the right hand of the Father (Acts 7:55–56; Romans 8:34; Ephesians 1:20; Colossians 3:1).
The Bible simply does not teach soul sleep.
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