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Old 01-01-2019, 03:26 PM
 
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This is true. While Paul's letters were not at that early date traveling together as a corpus, his letters were individually being circulated to the various churches. Paul considered what he and the other apostles taught to be the word of God as he stated in 1 Thessalonians 2:13. Paul then would have considered his own writings to be Scripture as did Peter with regard to Paul's letters. It wasn't necessary for Paul's letters to be bound together as part of the completed NT canon before they could be considered scripture. Peter compared Paul's letters to the Old Testament scriptures and put them on the same level.

According to Galatians 2:8, Peter was an apostle to the "circumcised", and was a "reputed" "pillar" (Galatians 2:9), who was a hypocrite (Galatians 2:13). Peter was apparently not in good standing with Paul, and it is illogical to think that Paul was in good standing with Peter. Paul was most likely killed by Nero because the closeness of Paul with Herod's family, an anathema to Nero, due to a perceived political manipulation. It didn't take much to tick off Nero. At one time, Nero had been a kissing cousin to the Herod family. If you sleep by a lion, make sure the lion doesn't wake up. Paul apparently thought he was God's prophet, who spoke for God. The apostles Matthew acted as a witness, and transcribed the testimony of Yeshua and made no claims to speak for God. The testimony of Yeshua (Revelation 19:10), being of the Spirit of Revelation, was its own prophecy. Paul, as with Luke, witnessed nothing, and speaks from the stories of unspecified supposed witnesses and visions of angels of light. Of course, according to Paul, Satan often comes as an angel of light. And who should know better than Paul, the receiver of gifts from Satan, such as a pain in the side, to remind him of his pride.
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Old 01-01-2019, 03:28 PM
 
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The "lost sheep of the house of Israel" remain lost, and remain scattered among the nations (Ezekiel 36:19-28). The "end shall come" after the "gospel of the kingdom" has been preached to the whole world, which is were you will find the "lost sheep of the house of Israel". At that time the nations. where Israel had been scattered, shall be completely destroyed, and Jacob/Israel will be "chastened" "justly" (Jeremiah 30;11). "Jacob" is "saved" at the time of "Jacob's distress" (Jeremiah 30:7), but the "nations"/Gentiles, where Israel was scattered, will not fare so well. Your Gentile church, would be the "adulteress" bought for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver, for "many days", until the "sons of Israel will return" (Hosea 5), "in the last days".
As it is written;

" Go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and teach them to carry out everything I have commanded you. "
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Old 01-01-2019, 03:32 PM
 
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In the beginning they were sent to the lost sheep but then at the end of His mission He sent them to all the nation's to teach all He commanded them.
That’s not exactly accurate...
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Old 01-01-2019, 03:41 PM
 
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The "lost sheep of the house of Israel" remain lost, and remain scattered among the nations (Ezekiel 36:19-28). The "end shall come" after the "gospel of the kingdom" has been preached to the whole world, which is were you will find the "lost sheep of the house of Israel". At that time the nations. where Israel had been scattered, shall be completely destroyed, and Jacob/Israel will be "chastened" "justly" (Jeremiah 30;11). "Jacob" is "saved" at the time of "Jacob's distress" (Jeremiah 30:7), but the "nations"/Gentiles, where Israel was scattered, will not fare so well. Your Gentile church, would be the "adulteress" bought for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver, for "many days", until the "sons of Israel will return" (Hosea 5), "in the last days".
The 7 nations of Canaan (7 churches of revelation) are linked and the 12 tribes of Israel are to break down the idols in those 7 nations
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Old 01-01-2019, 03:43 PM
 
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That’s not exactly accurate...
Well maybe not in the very beginning but you get the drift.
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Old 01-01-2019, 03:43 PM
 
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As it is written;

" Go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and teach them to carry out everything I have commanded you. "
What is the baptism? What is the name?

Adam was given the authority to name everything, I believe we need to look at the meaning of the names in scripture and not focus on individual people when trying to understand what the scriptures mean
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Old 01-01-2019, 04:19 PM
 
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Without 2 Peter 3:16, "Christianity", based on Paul, is a ship with large holes in the bow and stern, and no anchor to throw out, and no shore to run upon. Not to say Peter was a "peg" one should "hang" onto (Isaiah 22:25), but without Peter's cover, Paul is simply falling in the vacuum of space, with no air to indicate what direction he is falling (Matthew 7:27).
You may believe that, and it's far from the truth. But the fact is, 2 Peter IS inspired, and it IS in the canon.
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Old 01-01-2019, 04:23 PM
 
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What is the baptism? What is the name?

Adam was given the authority to name everything, I believe we need to look at the meaning of the names in scripture and not focus on individual people when trying to understand what the scriptures mean
Going by what the disciples did immediately after Pentecost, Father, Son and Holy Ghost, has got to mean Lord Jesus Christ, because they baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. If not they baptized in something contrary to what Jesus told them to do.
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Old 01-01-2019, 04:36 PM
 
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Going by what the disciples did immediately after Pentecost, Father, Son and Holy Ghost, has got to mean Lord Jesus Christ, because they baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. If not they baptized in something contrary to what Jesus told them to do.
If you pay attention to the words of Jesus, we read Matt. 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit."

And Jesus is not all 3.
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Old 01-01-2019, 04:38 PM
 
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You may believe that, and it's far from the truth. But the fact is, 2 Peter IS inspired, and it IS in the canon.
Could you prove that?...
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