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Old 01-21-2019, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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That's what the court systems are there for. Some people may not realize their unwillingness to engage in certain activities and/or circles is considered bullying.
No, attempts to coerce others is considered bullying, sometimes by refusing normal services to those being bullied.
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Old 01-21-2019, 06:43 PM
 
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You were incorrect to say Jesus prohibited public prayer. He said, basically, don’t be a self-righteous hypocrite. A community acknowledging their creator is not that.

No. That is complete nonsense on your part. Christ said to pray in secret. It says so explicitly in the Gospel. You are twisting Christ's words around. Blasting a prayer out on stadium loudspeakers is the precise opposite of that.
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Old 01-21-2019, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Yes, he did. He literally said, "Do not do this." He didn't say, "You know, I'm going to talk about the spiritual pride of other people." Nope. He literally said to the 5,000 on the Mount--goatherders, farmers, fishermen, wives, and children -- "Do not do this." snip...
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You were incorrect to say Jesus prohibited public prayer. He said, basically, don’t be a self-righteous hypocrite. A community acknowledging their creator is not that.
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No. That is complete nonsense on your part. Christ said to pray in secret. It says so explicitly in the Gospel. You are twisting Christ's words around. Blasting a prayer out on stadium loudspeakers is the precise opposite of that.
Look at what you said above. That is completely false. It is you who are twisting Jesus’ words.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:07 PM
 
Location: New England
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No. That is complete nonsense on your part. Christ said to pray in secret. It says so explicitly in the Gospel. You are twisting Christ's words around. Blasting a prayer out on stadium loudspeakers is the precise opposite of that.


They are way to entrenched in their own beliefs systems to believe and see otherwise.

It is well documented in the gospels that Jesus withdrew from the public to pray. So called bible believers(you know, the ones that say we believe the whole of the bible) conveniently ignore this.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:11 PM
 
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Look at what you said above. That is completely false. It is you who are twisting Jesus’ words.

Only in your imagination can "do not do this" and "pray in secret" actually mean, "Hey, it's okay if you do this" and "Pray in public. Heck, use a megaphone if you possibly can."


I mean, dude, so sorry that your major form of religious expression has been yanked out from underneath you by the Gospel itself. But a person honest with himself would read that passage and say, "Huh, I was wrong," rather than say, "Well, that's not Jesus really mean."
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:14 PM
 
Location: New England
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Look at what you said above. That is completely false. It is you who are twisting Jesus’ words.
I think you are ignoring the example of Jesus.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Only in your imagination can "do not do this" and "pray in secret" actually mean, "Hey, it's okay if you do this" and "Pray in public. Heck, use a megaphone if you possibly can."


I mean, dude, so sorry that your major form of religious expression has been yanked out from underneath you by the Gospel itself. But a person honest with himself would read that passage and say, "Huh, I was wrong," rather than say, "Well, that's not Jesus really mean."
Only in your imagination did He
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:19 PM
 
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I think you are ignoring the example of Jesus.

No kidding. Maybe we can put JimmieJ in a time machine so he can go back to Palestine during that period to correct Jesus on what he was doing wrong. To wit:



Matthew 14:23


After He had sent the crowds away, He went up on the mountain by Himself to pray; and when it was evening, He was there alone.


Mark 1:35


In the early morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house, and went away to a secluded place, and was praying there.


Luke 5:16


But Jesus Himself would often slip away to the wilderness and pray.


Luke 9:18


And it happened that while He was praying alone, the disciples were with Him, and He questioned them, saying, "Who do the people say that I am?"


Matthew 26:36


Then Jesus came with them to a place called Gethsemane, and said to His disciples, "Sit here while I go over there and pray."


Matthew 26:39


And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will."


Matthew 26:42


He went away again a second time and prayed, saying, "My Father, if this cannot pass away unless I drink it, Your will be done."


Matthew 26:44


And He left them again, and went away and prayed a third time, saying the same thing once more.


Mark 14:35


And He went a little beyond them, and fell to the ground and began to pray that if it were possible, the hour might pass Him by.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:20 PM
 
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Only in your imagination did He

Yeah. Weird of me to take the Gospel at face value.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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I think you are ignoring the example of Jesus.
You have no idea when and how I pray. I’m merely disagreeing with Minivan’s interpretation of that passage.
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