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It takes time for humanity (people) to grow and mature, but with some people that process just takes longer.
While I am sure you feel you are "mature", but there might be others who are not so convinced. If tomorrow you die, and if actually you are not mature, are you going to continue to grow in the grave? Apart from your hair I mean, which has a tendency to grow after death.
Lets make it simple, give the 5 best rewards you'll have for all eternity please.
only for the most lawful and that kind of spiritual gifts will be like ........... time travel.. to before there was no sea..a tatoo of a sands of time will be on your new body..
. also slip steaming/ called "translation" as Phillip did after speaking to the eunuch.... and that will have like a compass like tatoo on your new body.
then it ALSO STATES THAT HE WILL WRITE HIS OF HIS GOD AND THE CITY OF HIS GOD FOR THOSE WHO CAN ENTER IN TO THOSE two PLACES.
THEN AS I STATED BEFORE THE SCRIPTURE ABOUT THE LADY WINGS. WITH THE BREATH OF GOD IN THEM. I THINK "THE BREATH" IS ACTUALLY MORE FOR PROTECTION MAYBE, THAN FLIGHT. but they can fly and I suspect tha thtey are also tupperwares the ladies were gifted to wear.. a body like a dressand you can change dresses.. ..
I think maybe Morphing/ or other Tupperware in other EXOTIC places OR TIMES as I have seen an anchor tatoo that might have been part of someone's reward. because remember the word states the new world will have no sea.. so if you have slip streaming OR TIME TRAVEL .. something like that to an ancient sailing ship on the sea or maybe stuff like that .. how about a hotel in Las Vegas? or Disneyland theme parks..??? but for only the most lawful.
the Concept is found in Jim Croches song "time in a bottle" Jesus has saved time in a bottle for his people.. when we have been working for him .... we haven't had the time or money to do the things that the rest of the world thinks nothing of doing.. often.... and in that is some of the most awesome gifts for those who can think past their own noses and realize a BIG God is way bigger than them... and for those who spent their lives in his service will have all eternity to redeem all the time and they will have missed
in wealth and fun ... so they will have not missed even one thing in their whole eternal lives..
and then
HE HAS SHOWN ME LOTS OF RVS AND ANIMAL HAULERS AND BOATS AND SUCH FOR TAKING TO ISRAEL WITH US.. HE WILL TAKE HIS PEOPLE WITH HIM AS AN OFFERING to the Father ..
AS STATED HERE and many places like in Eze, Ps 60 and 108,
Isa 66:20
And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.
Zep 3:10
From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.
Mal 1:11
For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts. and that is just for starters. there is tons more scriptures.
it is clear in these verses we will be going back to a tributary type system, but we call these taxes now .. but his system might include goods like in Solomons day.. and are given now just to athletes and famous people.. freebies..
and it starts with his offering to the Father of all his children and the First born and the firstborn of the nations who treated with him.. .. ( the 144000 youth.. and untold treasures as offering to the Father and His NEW temple (4th temple in Ezekiel) / thus Israel.
but they are going through the sea.. again... only the big seas next time .. here is one such hint...
Zec 10:9
And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall live with their children, and turn again.
Zec 10:10
I will bring them again also out of the land of Egypt, and gather them out of Assyria; and I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon; and place shall not be found for them.
Zec 10:11
And he shall pass through the sea with affliction, and shall smite the waves in the sea, and all the deeps of the river shall dry up: and the pride of Assyria shall be brought down, and the scepter of Egypt shall depart away.
there is many more .. look... up stuff like ships of the young lions.. of Tarshish and Elishah.
Gold on doves wings.. etc.. you can find where they are coming into Israel and everyone is on their faces for a whole day I think.. so it just going to be very spectacular/or and miraculous events as His and the nations offerings are coming into the land.
A tributary system, more like that was in Solomons day..
Even today singers and actors and all famous and athletes. Get loads of free things. It is advertising and it works.
those freebies used to be given to kings and queens who controlled trading networks and contracts and probably will again.. because everyone can be an athlete in a world where everyone is their best self and at their best age and no one sleeps... yes no one sleeps. what can you do in 24 hours a day and with a night?
8 hours work.. 8 hours family and then 8 hours of fun?like ( athletics, sports, fishing boating and community service= church services and clan services etc? hobby lobby time !! )? think about it !!
for sure no sleeping needed.. if we are going to be like him and it says we will be like him.. .. then no sleeping will be needed by adults anyway.. how much living can you do in a endless day and endless ages ?
It takes time for humanity (people) to grow and mature, but with some people that process just takes longer.
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Originally Posted by 2ndpillar
While I am sure you feel you are "mature", but there might be others who are not so convinced. If tomorrow you die, and if actually you are not mature, are you going to continue to grow in the grave? Apart from your hair I mean, which has a tendency to grow after death.
Hair and fingernails may appear longer after death, but not because they are still growing. Instead, a persons fingernails and hair may appear longer because the skin around them has retracted, according to science and the Dermatology Clinic at UAMS. But I can see that you are speaking as a child, not someone who is mature. Do you believe that death is the end of life? A mature response is "we really do not know." It could be like that of sleep without dreams. Although, I personally look forward to a transformation, not merely an endless life.
Jesus said you must believe IN Him. If you believe Jesus then believe Him that He said that you must believe IN Him.
John 6:35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in (εἰς -eis) Me will never thirst.
John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in (εἰς -eis) Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
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So what i am doing along the way is believing him, which takes you from a place of becoming to being. In saying that, does it make any difference to what Jesus said compared to what Drob says, if i am not doing what Jesus said?. Jesus did not say anything what Drob is saying(There is no comparison), but he did say, his disciplers were doers of the word. Becoming a doer is not for earning sake, but for becoming sake.
Here is 2 rapturous verses for you to think upon.
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.
The thoughts of a second coming(already happened at Pentecost) or a rapture ( a false doctrine) are thoughts i never entertain, neither is the gathering doctrine you believe in, which is basically born out of a belief of separation from God.
Jesus spoke of the rapture. John 14:1-3 is a parallel passage to 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17.
The details concerning the parallel between John 14:1-3 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 are in the article below.
Though possibly turning away some potential readers at the very outset, I will nevertheless, state the foundational premise of this article up front: There is only one "coming of the Lord." There are not two advents, nor are there ---as the rapture theory postulates----three comings, i.e., our Lord's coming in individual incarnation, born of a woman; a secret invisible coming to snatch His saints out of a world soon to be ravaged by tribulation; and finally arriving and staying to institute His thousand year reign upon the earth. Yeah; they actually imagine three comings. Talk about the kind of confusion that is intrinsic to spiritual Babylon, there's a perfect example.
The scriptures rightly translated do not speak of Jesus as having departed from this earth to a far off distant heaven, and as such, by some definition, being less than intimately near and dear to humanity, and especially to His summoned gathering (conventionally called "the church"). To bluntly state the fact of the matter, our Lord has arrived, is determined to stay--and indeed He is staying, and will continue to do so-- and His continuing presence is that of One, while present, continues His on coming into the depths of our humanity, until His glorified Humanity, in His union with us all, infuses our humanity with His Deity until, as the early church taught, all humanity will be brought to share in nothing less than His Deity.
In short, in Him dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily, and we are complete (or brought to fullness) in Him.
What completeness, what fullness is that in the context?
Clearly His fullness; the fullness of the Godhead, or better of Godness. All proceeds from Him, in whom we live and move and have our being. The Eastern Orthodox Church, with its particular emphasis upon the consensus of the early church fathers in its theology, refers to this doctrine as "theosis," and explains that term as meaning deification, or divinization, or illumination.
Note: it is divinization in contrast to divination---a bad concept. It is very noteworthy to what lengths their theologians go to explain that "theosis" should not be understood as a person becoming God (understandably so), but they go to such pains to avoid such a conclusion, that their attempt seems to me to be almost comical in its conceptual complication.
There is one verse of scripture that Jonathan Mitchell, in his translation, has rendered with such detailed scholarly excellence, with such exquisite attention to the Greek text especially in regard to its verb tense, and very evidently setting aside presumptuous biases, that I must begin with it in nailing down our premise of understanding the coming of the Lord as one continuing coming.
We go, in brother Jonathan's translation, to 1 Jn. 5:20:
"And we have seen and thus and know that the Son of God has arrived and He is continuously here and has given us thorough understanding (comprehension; thought; intelligence; input throughout the mind) to the end that we should constantly know [other MSS: so that we constantly know] by experience the True One (or: the true, the real and the genuine), and we constantly exist within and in union with the True One (or: in the real [situation]; in the midst of Reality): within His Son, Jesus Christ. This One is the True (Real; Genuine) God, and Life pertaining to, and having the qualities of the Age (or: life having its source in the Age; eonian life; life of, and on through the ages).
In this translation, it becomes strikingly clear as to where our Lord is presently, and what He's up to, with the amazing understanding re: the relationship of the True God, Jesus Christ, His Son, and eonian life. The True God has sent His Son into the world, and He has arrived, bringing with Him the understanding of Him who is True, imparting that to us. All this: the One True God, the present and continuing presence of His Son, causing us to share in His understanding of the True God; all of the above IS eonian life.
For additional scriptural support we have The Concordant Literal Translation of the New Testament in its rendering of Jn. 14:3, "[ Jesus speaking], And if I go I AM coming..." (emphasis mine). It is not, "I WILL come."
It is that in going He is at the same time, concurrently coming to His disciples,transitioning from a physical presence to be seen and touched, to their abiding, indwelling, glorified Lord, the Spirit, to be in intimate communion with them as their life. I could have chosen Jonathan Mitchell's translation again, but for brevity sake, I've chosen the Concordant Version. Jonathan's translation brings out the truth that as the One coming anew by going, He is presently, progressively, repeatedly, habitually coming again.
We also have the matter of making a distinction between coming, presence, appearing and unveiling of the Lord. The New Testament presents all of them, though overlapping, as, in some sense, distinct facets in the diamond of God's relationship from the timeless dimension of His I AM Being to, and into our eonian existentiality. As regarding making a distinction between coming and presence, there are many places in the New Testament where "presence" conveys the writers thought better than "coming." Dr. Strong in his Exhaustive Concordance, makes it clear that the root of one pertinent Greek word, conventionally translated as "coming," really conveys "near;" "at hand," and then goes on to offer the option of "presence" alongside, along side of the meaning, "coming."
St. Paul added clarity (not disagreement) to the message of The Twelve, who, until Paul came along only stressed the gift of the Holy Spirit to indwell and empower believers, whereas Paul, through whom God expanded the apostolic message, explained that the gift of, and indwelling of, the Holy Spirit, and God's gift of His Son were one and the same Gift, Experience, and Presence. Both Peter and Paul make it clear that God does not abide in some far-off "heaven," but that He lives in His holy temple, which temple we are: "The temple of God is holy, which temple ye are," Nothing conveys exactly where God's presence is specifically more than Him being in His temple. If one needs some stuff for pondering, ponder that truth and what we ought to infer from it: Just what is the relationship of heaven as God's abode, and the habitation of God in the Spirit, the habitation constructed of living stones right here on earth in the ages?
Truly, our Lord is named, "Emmanuel, which being interpreted, is God with us.
The net effect of the conventional concept of two (or with some eschatologies, three) advents is to diminish the force of the truth that God, in Christ, in Spirit is really in every possible sense with us in the here and now. The general sense that the New Testament gives us is of One who is continually, progressively, habitually coming, YET so, as One present. In a recent home-church meeting, when the subject of this article came up, I contributed the simple illustration of how it is that the Lord is nigh; near at hand, and yet coming by offering the analogy of how often my wife Jan, near at hand in our house, has come to me from, for instance, the kitchen into the family room to get my full attention. Not a wholly adequate analogy, but hopefully helpful for some of my readers.
Jesus said you must believe IN Him. If you believe Jesus then believe Him that He said that you must believe IN Him.
John 6:35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in (εἰς -eis) Me will never thirst.
John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in (εἰς -eis) Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
Jesus spoke of the rapture. John 14:1-3 is a parallel passage to 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17.
The details concerning the parallel between John 14:1-3 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 are in the article below.
Mike: Let's review; "rapture" is not found in Canon! NOT! Jesus Christ did not speak of rapture, St. Paul did not speak of rapture!
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There are no concordance results for "rapture" in the KJV.
I've already been over this with you in post #133 and explained where the term 'rapture' comes from and that Paul speaks of it. I'll not waste my time explaining it to you again.
I invite readers to read post #133.
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