If you're a conservative in a liberal church (or the reverse), why do you stay? (birth control, Gospel)
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I'm not implying anything. I'm just saying that it appeared as if you were interpreting "liberal" to apply strictly to political matters. There are a lot of ways (including charitable contributions, among others) in which a church and its individual members might be considered to be "liberal." Maybe the OP could tell us specifically what he had in mind.
I'm pretty sure Jesus' overwhelming message was love one another as I have loved you. The last shall be first. Whatsoever you do to the least of your brothers, that you do unto me. Judge not. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
I'm not hijacking anything, puppiesandkittens. This is totally on topic.
One can be nonjudgemenal and recognize sin simultaneously.
We don't have to throw one approach completely out to support the other.
There isn't hardly a shred of depth or wisdom in modern American politics, left or right, so one would be smart to completely set that nonsense aside when examining the original message of Christianity.
Just because someone thinks it's a bad idea for government to do all the charitable work, doesn't mean they themselves are uncharitable. Disagreeing does not make the other person a monster either.
For this thread, liberal protestant churches often tend to be way out there, denying many of the basic beliefs of historic Christianity. They can do what they want, but it seems rather pointless after a while.
Fundamentalist churches all too often get hung up on using proof-texts of obscure scripture to base entire doctrine on without seeing the whole context of the situation.
Middle of the road churches get caught up in loud pep-rally style worship services theologically watered down to where they can articulate basic doctrine when needed but generally won't get into the weeds too far.
I'm still a believer. I still recognize the value of church, a community. I couldn't stay with any of the above.
For this thread, liberal protestant churches often tend to be way out there, denying many of the basic beliefs of historic Christianity. They can do what they want, but it seems rather pointless after a while. Fundamentalist (conservative) churches all too often get hung up on using proof-texts of obscure scripture to base entire doctrine on without seeing the whole context of the situation. Middle of the road churches get caught up in loud pep-rally style worship services theologically watered down to where they can articulate basic doctrine when needed but generally won't get into the weeds too far.
I'm still a believer. I still recognize the value of church, a community. I couldn't stay with any of the above.
I like the alternative to all of this: being a moderate who has informal "church" with a group of friends. No extremism, no attitudes, no walls, no creeds and membership fees, and zero % BS.
I like the alternative to all of this: being a moderate who has informal "church" with a group of friends.
No extremism, no attitudes, no walls, no creeds and membership fees, and zero % BS.
In contrast that would be preferable.
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