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Old 04-24-2008, 02:49 PM
 
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[CENTER][SIZE=4]Similarities? [/SIZE][/CENTER]
If the pope is Christ' s substitute on earth, there should be many similarities in their lives. Let' s see:
  • While on earth, Jesus never controlled great wealth. The pope controls one of the wealthiest corporations in the world.
  • Jesus dressed like a common man. The pope, on the other hand, is never seen in anything but regal apparel.
  • Jesus lived in simple surroundings, but the pope views opulence at every turn.
  • Jesus tirelessly served the multitudes, while the pope travels the world on his private jet, meeting with world leaders from every nation.
  • Most people eventually rejected and hated Jesus because He told the truth. The pope is worshipped and adored by millions worldwide.
  • The pope gladly welcomes the praise of men, but Jesus directed all worship to the Father, and said of Himself: [CENTER]"Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." Mark 10:18 [/CENTER]
Should popes accept the worship of multitudes? Look how "Pope" Peter reacted when Cornelius tried to worship him:
[CENTER]"And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man." Acts 10:25-26
Pope: head of the church? [/CENTER]
The Catechism claims that:
[CENTER]"The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls" Pg. 246, #937 [/CENTER]
According to God's Word, the pope is not the head of the true church of Jesus Christ. That position is reserved exclusively for the Lord Jesus:
[CENTER]"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church..." Ephesians 5:23 [/CENTER]
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Old 04-24-2008, 03:03 PM
 
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[CENTER][SIZE=4]Similarities? [/SIZE][/CENTER]
If the pope is Christ' s substitute on earth, there should be many similarities in their lives. Let' s see:
  • While on earth, Jesus never controlled great wealth. The pope controls one of the wealthiest corporations in the world.
  • Jesus dressed like a common man. The pope, on the other hand, is never seen in anything but regal apparel.
  • Jesus lived in simple surroundings, but the pope views opulence at every turn.
  • Jesus tirelessly served the multitudes, while the pope travels the world on his private jet, meeting with world leaders from every nation.
  • Most people eventually rejected and hated Jesus because He told the truth. The pope is worshipped and adored by millions worldwide.
  • The pope gladly welcomes the praise of men, but Jesus directed all worship to the Father, and said of Himself: [CENTER]"Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." Mark 10:18 [/CENTER]
Should popes accept the worship of multitudes? Look how "Pope" Peter reacted when Cornelius tried to worship him:
[CENTER]"And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man." Acts 10:25-26
Pope: head of the church? [/CENTER]
The Catechism claims that:
[CENTER]"The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls" Pg. 246, #937 [/CENTER]
According to God's Word, the pope is not the head of the true church of Jesus Christ. That position is reserved exclusively for the Lord Jesus:
[CENTER]"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church..." Ephesians 5:23 [/CENTER]

Judge not, lest ye be judged..............
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Old 04-24-2008, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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We bow and curtsy before kings and queens. Many courts in medieval times required that you also kiss the monarch's ring. We all have ways of paying respects to honorary figures, and it has nothing to do with worship. Do you not pay respect to the minister or preacher of your church? The pope is a priest first and foremost, but he is a very influential person as well because he was chosen to lead the Catholic Church, to set policies that will affect millions of people. For that he is shown profound respect. Not worship, RESPECT.
We who?
I don't bow before any but God and His Son.
I no longer have a priest or pastor or minister to teach me, i go direct.
"THe annointing that you have received abideth in you, and you need not that any man teach you. For this same annointing shall lead you into all truth".

You can label it as respect, which is a worldly attitude. But what i see and hear and know, is that many worship the leaders of religion and take their lead by them, not God and Christ directly.
THose that lead churches are for babes, they are nurse maids that act as go betweens, and they serve milk compared to the meat of the Spirit that is available to all that ask and seek God directly.


godspeed,

freedom
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Old 04-24-2008, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Judge not, lest ye be judged..............
What part of IbeDavid's post was judging? Can anyone dispute the reality of the Pope's life?
The Scripture's that point to the humility of One that walks as Jesus?

You will have to do better than "Judge Not" to have a position worth considering.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 04-24-2008, 03:39 PM
 
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We who?
I don't bow before any but God and His Son.
I no longer have a priest or pastor or minister to teach me, i go direct.
"THe annointing that you have received abideth in you, and you need not that any man teach you. For this same annointing shall lead you into all truth".

You can label it as respect, which is a worldly attitude. But what i see and hear and know, is that many worship the leaders of religion and take their lead by them, not God and Christ directly.
THose that lead churches are for babes, they are nurse maids that act as go betweens, and they serve milk compared to the meat of the Spirit that is available to all that ask and seek God directly.


godspeed,

freedom
So if you were to meet the Queen of England, you wouldn't cop a curtsy? Because showing respect and following etiquette is beneath you? You, after all, follow a higher calling. I don't want to get personal, but learning the customs of others, and respecting their cultural heritage would be something I would think Christ would advocate. When people close themselves off from new experiences, and make up their minds without truly considering things from other peoples' perspectives, it seems like they are narrowing their worlds in ways that I think would garner admonishment rather than accolades from Christ.
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Old 04-24-2008, 03:42 PM
 
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What part of IbeDavid's post was judging? Can anyone dispute the reality of the Pope's life?
The Scripture's that point to the humility of One that walks as Jesus?

You will have to do better than "Judge Not" to have a position worth considering.

godspeed,

freedom
Condemning a religion seems pretty judgmental to me. Since you clearly have never met the Pope, never toured the Vatican, never seen first-hand the life the Pope leads, but instead make statements about his "worshippers", then I think it's time to point out the intolerance prevalent in the remarks.
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Old 04-24-2008, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Condemning a religion seems pretty judgmental to me. Since you clearly have never met the Pope, never toured the Vatican, never seen first-hand the life the Pope leads, but instead make statements about his "worshippers", then I think it's time to point out the intolerance prevalent in the remarks.
Are you saying that when you met the Pope, toured the Vatican and watched his life first hand, it caused you to respect him? To the point of calling him the Holy Father?

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 04-24-2008, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Where's corking when I need her

She made it so easy
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Old 04-24-2008, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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So if you were to meet the Queen of England, you wouldn't cop a curtsy? Because showing respect and following etiquette is beneath you? You, after all, follow a higher calling. I don't want to get personal, but learning the customs of others, and respecting their cultural heritage would be something I would think Christ would advocate. When people close themselves off from new experiences, and make up their minds without truly considering things from other peoples' perspectives, it seems like they are narrowing their worlds in ways that I think would garner admonishment rather than accolades from Christ.
I would treat the Queen as i treat anyone else. Would find it uncomfortable to do otherwise. Bowing is out of the question. There is no respect of persons.
It has nothing to do with if something is beneath me, i think it is beneath her to want people to bow to her.
Seems to me some cultures have some pretty wacky customs. I'm not interested in acting them out, nor playing along.
I've been to many places in the world, lived in England, Arabia, met thousands of people in all levels of society and i find those that wish to have themselves above others are the ones that have a narrow view of the world, rather narcissistic view to be perfectly clear.

Many are entranced by people in power and position, imo all they do is distract from becoming one with true power, and glory....God

If our eyes are looking to another, how can they be single to God?

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 04-24-2008, 04:40 PM
 
Location: NW Arkansas
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That is what Jesus said ! He was talking about religious titles.
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