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John 13:23-25 King James Version (KJV) 23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved. 24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to ‘HIM’ not her’, that ‘HE’ should ask who it should be of whom he spake.
BTW - that could also say, Simon Peter, therefore beckoned to HER - not HIM.
I don't believe everything I read or that of male dominance Old-One, neither have I been brainwashed by religion.
Well then, good for you youngen, if you don't believe everything that you read, then there is not much use debating anything that is recorded in the scriptures with you, as you will continually keep saying; "Well I simply don't believe what is recorded in Black and white, in that particular part of the bible. In other words, you will decide to believe or disbelieve whatsoever you so choose.
So what made you believe that Mary Magdalene was the beloved disciple of Jesus? Something that you read and decided to believe, or just something that popped up in the imagination of a biblically ignorant mind?
To this day, it is extremely unusual to have two siblings with the same name. It's so unusual that you have to say: "Nope. That probably didn't happen."
Ha, I went to school with a family whose daughters were all named Mary. Mary Beth, Mary Sue, Mary Ellen and Mary Claire.
The second one rebelled and asked to be called Sue in high school, and she later changed her name to Susan.
Well then, good for you youngen, if you don't believe everything that you read, then there is not much use debating anything that is recorded in the scriptures with you, as you will continually keep saying; "Well I simply don't believe what is recorded in Black and white, in that particular part of the bible. In other words, you will decide to believe or disbelieve whatsoever you so choose.
So what made you believe that Mary Magdalene was the beloved disciple of Jesus? Something that you read and decided to believe, or just something that popped up in the imagination of a biblically ignorant mind?
Obviously, I don't believe much of what Christianism has to say on various subjects, including your perceptions, but that doesn't make me ignorant. It just means that I see things differently or from a different perspective. If you want to believe everything is inerrant and infallible from a male-dominate religion be my guest. And, yes, I will decide, not you!
John 13:23-25 King James Version (KJV) 23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved. 24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to ‘HIM’ not her’, that ‘HE’ should ask who it should be of whom he spake.
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
BTW - that could also say, Simon Peter, therefore beckoned to HER - not HIM.
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Originally Posted by The Anointed
So what made you believe that Mary Magdalene was the beloved disciple of Jesus? Something that you read and decided to believe, or just something that popped up in the imagination of a biblically ignorant mind?
Linguistics or that of studying various languages and it's structure, including the various meanings within words.
If, you change the meaning of a word, it changes the context - just like that of hell and eternal damnation.
Linguistics or that of studying various languages and it's structure, including the various meanings within words.
If, you change the meaning of a word, it changes the context - just like that of hell and eternal damnation.
'Mary Magdalene,' means, Mary Magdalene, you can't change that, and she is one of the only two woman by the name Mary, who, at the cross of Jesus, was with Mary the mother of Jesus, who was the wife of Cleophas, the first man to whom the risen Christ appeared.
If you believe that Mary Magdalene was the beloved disciple who leaned on the breast of Jesus at the Passover Seder, then you are ignorant to the fact that the scriptures reveal the beloved disciple to be a male and later on, reveal that the male beloved disciple, is John the son of Zebedee.
It matters not if you don't believe what the bible says, but if you think that the bible says that Mary Magdalene was the beloved disciple who leaned on the breast of Jesus, this reveals that you have never studied the scriptures, or that you are simply biblically ignorant, or that you are incapable of comprehending that which is recorded in the scriptures.
Which all boils down to the fact, that it is a waste of time debating the scriptures with one who doesn't even have a clue as to what is recorded therein.
Linguistics or that of studying various languages and its structure, including the various meanings within words. If, you change the meaning of a word, it changes the context - just like that of hell and eternal damnation.
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Originally Posted by The Anointed
If you believe that Mary Magdalene was the beloved disciple who leaned on the breast of Jesus at the Passover Seder, then you are ignorant to the fact that the scriptures reveal the beloved disciple to be a male and later on, reveal that the male beloved disciple, is John the son of Zebedee.
It matters not if you don't believe what the bible says, but if you think that the bible says that Mary Magdalene was the beloved disciple who leaned on the breast of Jesus, this reveals that you have never studied the scriptures, or that you are simply biblically ignorant, or that you are incapable of comprehending that which is recorded in the scriptures.
Which all boils down to the fact, that it is a waste of time debating the scriptures with one who doesn't even have a clue as to what is recorded therein.
And, you are ignorant when it comes to punctuation use, or various meanings within languages.
But, "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn." Please, carry-on discussing things with yourself.
You keep claiming that Mary, the mother of Jesus and Mary the wife of Clopas are the same person, and that simply is not true. John 19:25 shows them to be two different people. And it would have been redundant for John to have referred to Mary the mother of Jesus in two different ways in the same sentence in which he is stating the women who were standing by the cross.
The Gospels speak of three Mary's at the cross; Jesus' mother Mary, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
If you can't comprehend that then I will leave you to your obtuseness. I'm done discussing this.
You agree with someone who believes that the four gospels reveal that there are three Mary's at the cross of Jesus. Now all you have to do is support your mates erroneous suggestion, and reveal where the four gospels (PLURAL) reveal that there are any more than two women by the name Mary at the cross, burial, or empty tomb of Jesus.
Go for it youngen and continue to reveal your ignorance as to what is recorded in the bible, where does it say in the gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke that there were three women by the name Mary at the cross, or the burial, or the empty tomb of Jesus.
Remember, we are talking about the GOSPELS (Plural), all four, which reveal the two women by the name Mary at the4 cross, burial and empty tomb of Jesus, to be Mary the mother of Jesus, who is the wife of Cleophas who is also called Alphaeus the biological father of James the younger, who is the brother of the Lord, and her relative, Mary Magdalene.
Well, Matthew says there were "many women there." Listing four doesn't seem excessive. Three out of four might be unusual. Mark lists two out of three names do "Mary." All Luke says is "women." Seriously, what is the purpose of your contention?
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