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Old 05-02-2010, 03:55 PM
 
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When is over-eating actually gluttony?
Most overweight people it is due to a gradual accumulation of more calories than they needed over many years, some days more than others.
Most people over-eat on special occassions such as Christmas, and usually know it and try to redeem themselves in the following days.
It falls into the same grey area as drinking alcohol, when does a glass of wine progress to the sin of drunkeness, or should we really just abstain?
Other sins are absolute - eg envy, adultery stealing etc - and there is no grey area.
good question,I have no idea.perhaps even eating the wrong foods too much could be considered gluttony ..? by that token,wouldn't not exercising enough and things like smoking be considered a form of gluttony,ie-not taking care of the body?
that is why I tend to think of gluttony as being selfish and hogging food and things when others don't have enough..sort of like when Jesus fed the crowd fish,if someone had kept many of the fish all for themselves,and didn't share any with others.
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:03 AM
 
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I would say that gluttony is consistently eating more than your body needs.
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Old Yesterday, 03:25 PM
 
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Default Gluttony borders on drug addiction

Gluttony borders on drug addiction because of all the chemicals, the preservatives and flavor enhancers that there are in processed foods today.


I believe that, at least for me, 'Pharmakeia', spoken of in the original language of the bible, not only refers to illegal drugs but to all medical and supplemental pharmaceuticals as well as any and all ingested chemicals that show up as addictions in my life. On close evaluation others may find this true as well. But I am not practicing legalism here. These are only my personal thoughts. This is up to each individual but I believe that God's perfect plan is for us to depend on Him and what He has provided for use in fueling our bodies....Food and Herbs and practicing a healthy lifestyle. It is sad that today's commercialism has degraded our soils and the nutrient content of our foods. I take one pharmaceutical and I am in a process of weaning off of it. I would say ideally we should only take a pharmaceutical for as short a time as possible, not ongoing. They all have side effects and often they confuse the body and get in the way of the body doing what it was designed to do best... heal itself.


Back to just food...
We are a nation of 'food addicts' as well as being 'food obsessed'.
Few believers in The Lord Jesus Christ have gluttony on their radar. I believe that I John 1:9 should be applied to gluttony involving overeating, inordinate lusting after food or addiction to food, just as we should apply to any other sin. To me overeating, inordinate lusting after food or addiction to food are not of faith and they are sins.


Food is a joy and a blessing, as it should be. and it should be received with Thanksgiving.
But ... as the modern rendition is quoted we should 'Eat to live, rather than live to eat.'
Origin... “Thou shouldst eat to live; not live to eat.” Socrates
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Old Yesterday, 04:01 PM
 
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Gluttony borders on drug addiction because of all the chemicals, the preservatives and flavor enhancers that there are in processed foods today.


I believe that, at least for me, 'Pharmakeia', spoken of in the original language of the bible, not only refers to illegal drugs but to all medical and supplemental pharmaceuticals as well as any and all ingested chemicals that show up as addictions in my life. On close evaluation others may find this true as well. But I am not practicing legalism here. These are only my personal thoughts. This is up to each individual but I believe that God's perfect plan is for us to depend on Him and what He has provided for use in fueling our bodies....Food and Herbs and practicing a healthy lifestyle. It is sad that today's commercialism has degraded our soils and the nutrient content of our foods. I take one pharmaceutical and I am in a process of weaning off of it. I would say ideally we should only take a pharmaceutical for as short a time as possible, not ongoing. They all have side effects and often they confuse the body and get in the way of the body doing what it was designed to do best... heal itself.


Back to just food...
We are a nation of 'food addicts' as well as being 'food obsessed'.
Few believers in The Lord Jesus Christ have gluttony on their radar. I believe that I John 1:9 should be applied to gluttony involving overeating, inordinate lusting after food or addiction to food, just as we should apply to any other sin. To me overeating, inordinate lusting after food or addiction to food are not of faith and they are sins.


Food is a joy and a blessing, as it should be. and it should be received with Thanksgiving.
But ... as the modern rendition is quoted we should 'Eat to live, rather than live to eat.'
Origin... “Thou shouldst eat to live; not live to eat.” Socrates
All though I find it despicable that someone's character should be judged unrighteously by weight and food consumption, there is no escaping the fact that if there are fundies that love filling their cake holes and are overweight, if the literal interpretation of the scriptures is what tickle your fancies, there is no place in the kingdom of God for you(literally).
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Old Yesterday, 08:13 PM
 
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well being that I had al sort of food allergies my whole life that went undiagnosed.. I struggled with every food issue there is to have .. these were always my sins.. because most of my food came back up and I never knew why.. and if they were allowed to go through they hurt like heck. causing bleeding and albumin and just all sort of problems after problems ..a no help from doctors.... just day by day working it out with God help me find the multiple issues and problems.. but it was 40 years struggle. after throwing up for weeks you started to get really hungry and then binged and usuaLY WOULD THROW UP .. or hadto make myself because I was going to do it spontaniously and that is uncontrolable as far as where or when.. and certainly not appreciated by others in the room at that meal. if it goes through doesn't mean you would be obsorbing any of it even.. because you had some kind of inflamity gut diease.. so you started to get really hungry.. really really hungry , fat and staarving at the same time.

so wow... after years of struggle ..
I am allergic too
wheat , eggs make me spontaneously throw up.. , milk gut [pain and sometimes diarrhea , night shades, all fake sugars , soy bad gut pain , sucralose makes me poop my pants uncontrollably. just to name a few
and list goes on..
now after figuring out what some of these thing do to me.. I am feeling full and feeling better. though sometimes do still get really hungry ... so I pig out on salad day.. and can eat some things small amounts of like cheese or yogurt or whey products .. but not milk . never two no no foods at the same time. it is like a can manage one food I am sensitive too but not two bad foods or one bad food often .
fyi....so anyone having food issues look into of sensitivities and allergies ..
sometimes hungry people might be having food issues and our food is so massed up ..gmo and such can really mess up our digestive system.as someone who has struggled my whole life with what to eat and what not to eat and getting really hungry because I wasn't getting nutrients .. please pray about food and digestive issues before feeling too guilty about erratic eating habbits ok!!
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Old Yesterday, 09:07 PM
 
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A lot of that fake stuff is making people ill, not just you. He spoke to me decades back and told me we were literally starving to death because our food and the soil has been so depleted of nutrients. No Sabbath land rest, food over processed, basically chemical compounds that are just short of poison introduced into the food chain, stem cells from aborted babies used as "flavor enhancers", introducing a cannibalism spirit into the mess, even. And now we have the GMO abominations, forcing chickens to gain massive muscles till they can't stand with steroid abuse, and cloned meats in the equation. It was not a coincidence He displayed authority over the food kingdom, nor is it a coincidence that it's being attacked by the enemy of our soul. He will rectify and pay every man according to his deeds. Peace
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Old Yesterday, 09:34 PM
 
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So how are all the law keepers doing out there?.....pretty hard to try and keep the law, there is no "try" in God's world and everybody gets an F. If you insist on keeping the law here are some directives if you don't: Leviticus 5

6 And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord for his sin which he hath sinned, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin.

7 And if he be not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring for his trespass, which he hath committed, two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, unto the Lord; one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering.

8 And he shall bring them unto the priest, who shall offer that which is for the sin offering first, and wring off his head from his neck, but shall not divide it asunder:

9 And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it is a sin offering.

10 And he shall offer the second for a burnt offering, according to the manner: and the priest shall make an atonement for him for his sin which he hath sinned, and it shall be forgiven him.

11 But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering.

12 Then shall he bring it to the priest, and the priest shall take his handful of it, even a memorial thereof, and burn it on the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the Lord: it is a sin offering.

13 And the priest shall make an atonement for him as touching his sin that he hath sinned in one of these, and it shall be forgiven him: and the remnant shall be the priest's, as a meat offering.

I suggest for some an entire barnyard of turtledoves and sheep to keep the priests happy........

More bad news after you WorK at keeping the law.........

New International Version Galatians 2:16

know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

Gluttony may be the least of your problems........
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Old Today, 07:14 AM
 
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So how are all the law keepers doing out there?.....pretty hard to try and keep the law, there is no "try" in God's world and everybody gets an F. If you insist on keeping the law here are some directives if you don't: Leviticus 5

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that would be only in your little world.
try is a word he likes.
I am first covered in his grace but chose to have a backbone and walk as upright as is possible. but I do rely alot on his grace in lots of areas and do all I can in other areas that I can do in . so "try" is a word in my world , thus it comes with me and follows me around and so it is in his world too, because the whole church brings that word with them.. but try is what a baby does when they need to learn something. we are to come to him as children and learn the same way a child does. by trying.
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Old Today, 08:26 AM
 
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Well it is so very easy to read and most likely would answer a whole lot of things as well as prevent sickness from happening.

It is the Earthly Mother and Heavenly Father who make it where the inheritors may not escape what should be for transpiring.

The test is mankind learns that he cannot murder and sprinkle blood everywhere and then think he is atoned for it by a killing.

If the Bible is filled with so many things not seeming to pair up as there are examples of it mixed falsehoods by truth speaking.

The devils know there is a God, so dissuade others from seeing it is not hard to live for God by "The Essene Gospel of Peace".
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Old Today, 10:45 AM
 
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A lot of that fake stuff is making people ill, not just you. He spoke to me decades back and told me we were literally starving to death because our food and the soil has been so depleted of nutrients. No Sabbath land rest, food over processed, basically chemical compounds that are just short of poison introduced into the food chain, stem cells from aborted babies used as "flavor enhancers", introducing a cannibalism spirit into the mess, even. And now we have the GMO abominations, forcing chickens to gain massive muscles till they can't stand with steroid abuse, and cloned meats in the equation. It was not a coincidence He displayed authority over the food kingdom, nor is it a coincidence that it's being attacked by the enemy of our soul. He will rectify and pay every man according to his deeds. Peace
well I think you get fat from only absorbing simple sugar and little or no proteins and real minerals and nutrients . Sugar is absorbed starting in your stomach. and maybe that sugar is the only value or nutrients you got out of your food the whole day was just some simple sugar.. if it went through your guts or not you may have only used the sugars .

so My kids also have some of my old genes that well.. dont' like modern food at alllll. so yes they found they could eat some wheat but only if it is non gmo and mostly organic and not sprayed with "roundup" it seem it might be the biggest gut issues problem or the root of some of it , even maybe causing allergies . . so that has been a huge help for the kids family to be able to buy some wheat products for their kids . because it is so expensive to buy gluten free food. and like barely any choices.
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