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Yes and it can begin now (John 14:23 + John 6:51).
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Originally Posted by jjGuru
Amen to that. Today is the day!
Rom 10:8 But what doth it say? 'Nigh thee is the saying—in thy mouth, and in thy heart:' that is, the saying of the faith, that we preach;
Rom 10:9 that if thou mayest confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and mayest believe in thy heart that God did raise him out of the dead, thou shalt be saved,
Rom 10:10 for with the heart doth one believe to righteousness, and with the mouth is confession made to salvation;
Jhn 6:47, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Jhn 10:10, The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
I have said in other threads that humans would likely have to be transformed by some alchemy into something that is not exactly human in order to "enjoy" life that is truly eternal. I have cited factors like hedonic tone, which eventually robs everything of novelty and interest, given enough time.
That said, as jerwade pointed out, if everything is somehow as claimed for the Christian afterlife, and it turns out to be some endlessly blissful adventure, sure, what's not to like? It's vastly preferable in my mind to a cyclic afterlife concept involving reincarnation and karma and such, that's for sure.
Sometimes, permanent non-existence after death seems to me to be desirable.
I have come to feel this way virtually all the time. Life is all the more precious precisely because it is both rare and finite. It is also surprisingly comforting to know that there's a definite endpoint. Life can be by turns grand and tortuous. Eternal life as generally sold is supposed to be far better, but the afterlife is just asserted and it may be just as baffling as this life often is for all I know. So I just find it incredibly comforting to be done with it at some point. I genuinely am unperturbed by my mortality and don't really want immortality.
Another way I have put it is that we are by nature story-tellers. Our life is our biggest story, and like all stories, it needs a beginning, a middle, and -- yes -- an end.
I have come to feel this way virtually all the time. Life is all the more precious precisely because it is both rare and finite. It is also surprisingly comforting to know that there's a definite endpoint. Life can be by turns grand and tortuous. Eternal life as generally sold is supposed to be far better, but the afterlife is just asserted and it may be just as baffling as this life often is for all I know. So I just find it incredibly comforting to be done with it at some point. I genuinely am unperturbed by my mortality and don't really want immortality.
Another way I have put it is that we are by nature story-tellers. Our life is our biggest story, and like all stories, it needs a beginning, a middle, and -- yes -- an end.
For me what I see is a general religious confusion/confusing of what pertains to the personal and the public, the prophetic and historic, the smaller and greater etc
Individually yes we have birth, life, death
And societally the same thing happens and was understood by the ‘ancient’ writers
The Scriptures were (are) not about any literal, individuals in their past - the narratives of both testaments referred to what was/is to come
Adam is not about any literal individual then, he is a federal ‘head’ same as the Christ/Messiah
There is many different levels and a lot of ‘referencing’ is in the Scriptures
Last edited by Meerkat2; 05-15-2022 at 05:38 PM..
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