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I do believe that some of Revelation has already taken place. For example in Rev: 8:10-11 says: 10: And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. In Russia the name wormwood is Chernobyl and we all know the star that fell at Chernobyl. The waters were made bitter because of the radioactivity and many many people have died and continue to die because of the accident. This accident at Prypiat has affected 3 continents and the Ukraine borders 7 other countries so the terms "a third part of the waters"(of the world) May very well be true.
This is a stretch. The meltdown at Chernobyl is a star? The only thing a writer in the late 1st century AD would call a star would be something falling from the sky in a fiery fall. Why wouldn't you use the big meteor or small asteroid that fell in Siberia within a couple hundred years ago? That could be called a falling star. Oh yeah, but a real falling star wouldn't make the waters bitter with wormwood. And the world didn't end right afterwards.
From what I've read of the actual history, it was most likely directed towards the Romans for the displaced Jews. There really isn't much at all about Jesus in Revelations. It is all about the avenging Lord, which Christians have interpreted to mean Jesus. But Jesus is never actually mentioned in it. It was written by a Jew who had plenty of death and destruction theology to draw upon.
It is the book of Revelation not Revelations. It is the revealing of Jesus Christ, not the end times as many believers and unbelievers assume. It is the foretelling of His victory over satan, and the mystery of His church when He comes for his bride.
The blood of the saints is crying out to him for recompense which is soon to come to our foes! As it happend in one day in Noah's time so will it be with His coming. Narrow is the path that leads to righteousness and broad is the way to destruction. Let go of pride and turn to your Creator. Now is the day of salvation, soon it will be too late.
Ya. Trouble is they've been saying the exact same scary stuff for 1700 years and it just never happens. Even a blind chicken gets a grain of corn more often than that!
Ya. Trouble is they've been saying the exact same scary stuff for 1700 years and it just never happens. Even a blind chicken gets a grain of corn more often than that!
Yeah, the end of the world is upon us!!!! Standing on the streetcorners with cardboard signs!!!!!!!!
It is the book of Revelation not Revelations. It is the revealing of Jesus Christ, not the end times as many believers and unbelievers assume. It is the foretelling of His victory over satan, and the mystery of His church when He comes for his bride.
The blood of the saints is crying out to him for recompense which is soon to come to our foes! As it happend in one day in Noah's time so will it be with His coming. Narrow is the path that leads to righteousness and broad is the way to destruction. Let go of pride and turn to your Creator. Now is the day of salvation, soon it will be too late.
There were people at every time in history who were absolutely certain that the Second Coming would be in their times because all the signs pointed to it.
I remember reading something in my childhood that said 666 was the Popes number, something being printined on his hat.
Then, Ronald Reagan's name was 666 in some numeralogical reckoning.
Remember, too, that the 'www' in the internet address was actually 666, and the internet was supposed to be the beast or some such silliness.
Ah, life loses so many complications and one no longer has to take responsibility for his decisions because one follows the book. This attitude is the seat of much suffering and misery for untold numbers. We are here to use our brains and figure things out for ourselves. THere is no easy way out.
Funny how we look at earlier peoples and remark on how they used myths to pave a path in life for them. Strange that so many of us cannot see that we are using myths for the same purpose.
goldengrain: Most people find the date of writing of the Book of Revelation by reading the introduction to the book in their Bibles. Those dates are not inspired! Nor are they accurate. They are based upon preconceived ideas. Some investigation would reveal that all of the external proofs given by some scholars for this late date (ca A.D. 95) are based upon an ambiguous letter written by Irenaeus. In it Irenaeus speaks of something or someone being seen even in his day, but an antecedent problem makes it unclear whether he was speaking of John or antichrist. It is the internal evidence provides a more accurate date (pre-A.D. 70).
One important indicator that so many overlook is that Herod's Temple is STILL standing (Revelation 11). That places John's writing prior to the Temple's destruction in A.D. 70. Furthermore, John was clearly told that He was to be shown the things that were to then in his day "take place SHORTLY" (Rev. 1:1). He was also told that the time was then NEAR or AT HAND (Rev. 1:3). Just in case we did not catch these clear time restraints in the first chapter, they are repeated in the last chapter. "And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must SHORTLY take place. "Behold I am coming QUICKLY" . . . . And he [the angel] said to me [John], "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is AT HAND" (Rev. 22:6, 7, 10).
We cannot hope to begin to understand this book unless and until we place it in its proper historical setting--pre-A.D. 70!
goldengrain: Most people find the date of writing of the Book of Revelation by reading the introduction to the book in their Bibles. Those dates are not inspired! Nor are they accurate. They are based upon preconceived ideas. Some investigation would reveal that all of the external proofs given by some scholars for this late date (ca A.D. 95) are based upon an ambiguous letter written by Irenaeus. In it Irenaeus speaks of something or someone being seen even in his day, but an antecedent problem makes it unclear whether he was speaking of John or antichrist. It is the internal evidence provides a more accurate date (pre-A.D. 70).
One important indicator that so many overlook is that Herod's Temple is STILL standing (Revelation 11). That places John's writing prior to the Temple's destruction in A.D. 70. Furthermore, John was clearly told that He was to be shown the things that were to then in his day "take place SHORTLY" (Rev. 1:1). He was also told that the time was then NEAR or AT HAND (Rev. 1:3). Just in case we did not catch these clear time restraints in the first chapter, they are repeated in the last chapter. "And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must SHORTLY take place. "Behold I am coming QUICKLY" . . . . And he [the angel] said to me [John], "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is AT HAND" (Rev. 22:6, 7, 10).
We cannot hope to begin to understand this book unless and until we place it in its proper historical setting--pre-A.D. 70!
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There will forever be willful ignorance about some of these facts. Many do not want to be confused by them because they have already made up their mind, DESPITE THE EVIDENCE right in the book, that indicates the book was written for a time long past NOT far in the distant future.
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The only thing a writer in the late 1st century AD would call a star would be something falling from the sky in a fiery fall. Why wouldn't you use the big meteor or small asteroid that fell in Siberia within a couple hundred years ago? That could be called a falling star. Oh yeah, but a real falling star wouldn't make the waters bitter with wormwood. And the world didn't end right afterwards.
