Christians, what do you think the mark of the beast will be? (Messiah, priests)

[jadybug]

Originally Posted by Fighting For Air

All the confusion is because the basic message is simple, consistent, and easy to comprehend. It is the milk. There is no controversy about the essential elements of the Christian faith.

However, the meat is what drives people to deeper study, research and a life-long devotion to attempting to address the issues that are not so clear. The elements open to interpretation drive people to a deeper level of study than they would ever pursue if all were perfectly clear. It is not coming to the correct answers that is important, it is the pursuit of those answers ... that chasing after God. To repeat the cliche ... it is the process and not the product. The process refines and strengthens .. but you never actually get "there" ... you never "arrive". Those that think they have arrived and have it all figured out and have all the answers are the ones to be leary of.

AMEN!!! Only God is Omniscient.

[Nikk]

Originally Posted by jadybug

I agree with you. I think that was the great agony-seperation from God and God's love (same thing).

It is written is Josh 1:9: "Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest."

God cannot leave us neither could he leave Jesus. He didn't leave Adam and Eve in the garden. He knew they sinned and he still sought them out and even clothed their nakedness. It says that he made garments of skins for them.

In order for God to make garments of skins, he had to kill an animal. This was the first sacrifice for sin and God did it for man.

This first sacrifice represented what Jesus would do on the cross, that is why he is the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world". So, the skins that God used where Lambs skins. Makes sense dosen't it. I got the inspiration for this about a year ago.

[jadybug]

Originally Posted by Nikk

It is written is Josh 1:9: "Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest."

God cannot leave us neither could he leave Jesus. He didn't leave Adam and Eve in the garden. He knew they sinned and he still sought them out and even clothed their nakedness. It says that he made garments of skins for them.

In order for God to make garments of skins, he had to kill an animal. This was the first sacrifice for sin and God did it for man.

This first sacrifice represented what Jesus would do on the cross, that is why he is the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world". So, the skins that God used where Lambs skins. Makes sense dosen't it. I got the inspiration for this about a year ago.

Ah yes, but there are many scriptures about the holiness of God and at that time Jesus became sin!! Jesus was the only sacrifice, therefore the only example of this abandonment. Mind you it was for a very short time so that the scriptures could be fulfilled. Agony, none the less!

[Nikk]

Originally Posted by Fighting For Air

All the confusion is because the basic message is simple, consistent, and easy to comprehend. It is the milk. There is no controversy about the essential elements of the Christian faith.

However, the meat is what drives people to deeper study, research and a life-long devotion to attempting to address the issues that are not so clear. The elements open to interpretation drive people to a deeper level of study than they would ever pursue if all were perfectly clear. It is not coming to the correct answers that is important, it is the pursuit of those answers ... that chasing after God. To repeat the cliche ... it is the process and not the product. The process refines and strengthens .. but you never actually get "there" ... you never "arrive". Those that think they have arrived and have it all figured out and have all the answers are the ones to be leary of.

I disagree. The word of God says "Seek and ye shall find". You are being contrary to scripture saying seek and you will not find. Since the scripture is truth then you are telling a _ _ _! Don't be decieved.

The bible says "taste and see that the Lord is good". After you have tasted you will not want to just taste anymore, you will want to feast. And after you have eaten all you can contain at that moment you lean back fat in your chair and ponder. Then when the hunger returns you dive back in, it will never stop. The bible has enough nourishment to sustain you your entire life. It is written that "man cannot live by bread alone but by every word of God."

[Nikk]

Originally Posted by jadybug

Ah yes, but there are many scriptures about the holiness of God and at that time Jesus became sin!! Jesus was the only sacrifice, therefore the only example of this abandonment. Mind you it was for a very short time so that the scriptures could be fulfilled. Agony, none the less!

What scripture supports your idea?

[Fighting For Air]

Originally Posted by Nikk

I disagree. The word of God says "Seek and ye shall find". You are being contrary to scripture saying seek and you will not find. Since the scripture is truth then you are telling a _ _ _! Don't be decieved.

The bible says "taste and see that the Lord is good". After you have tasted you will not want to just taste anymore, you will want to feast. And after you have eaten all you can contain at that moment you lean back fat in your chair and ponder. Then when the hunger returns you dive back in, it will never stop. The bible has enough nourishment to sustain you your entire life. It is written that "man cannot live by bread alone but by every word of God."

You're pulling the "seek and find" passage out of context. There is no doubt that if we seek after God, we will find him. But no matter how hard we seek, there are some answerss that will never be provided to us this side of heaven.

[Nikk]

Originally Posted by freedom

One day we will all know, Jesus paid the price, He did not sin. God never, ever, left Him or forsook Him. Ever.

godspeed,

freedom

This is scriptural. I agree with you.

[Ilene Wright]

Originally Posted by Nikk

The spirits of the dead go to heaven. ie the theif on the cross was told "this day you will be with me in paradise". But the resurrection is the resurrection of our bodies. That is why the dead in Christ rise first. We will all have resurrected bodies like the Lord. Why do you think that it says concerning the raising of the dead that "the sea will give up her dead" unless it is talking about physical bodies. The dead in Christ will rise first, we will rise seccond immediatly after. As I said when he comes to reign it is here on earth. It says he decends with a shout of the arch angel. It does not say that he returns to heaven, but we rise to meet him in the air.

Right....I don't disagree with that, so I don't understand what your point is. The arguments come in when people have different ideas about what is going to happen and when. I was stating the different beliefs, but what you said above is exactly what I believe....about the rapture. Maybe you have the wrong poster? I'm confused.

[Ilene Wright]

Originally Posted by Nikk

We are not discussing whether Christ will return but how. We are not all over the place and we are using the scripture as the proof for the arguements. So it is through the Spirit and the word of God we perfect our understanding of the truth.

If you want to see confussion go read some Evolutionary commentary. They can't agree on anything except that we weren't created by God. And they hold to less evidence than any Christian.

Amen to that!!!??? gobbledy-goop.

[Nikk]

Originally Posted by Fighting For Air

You're pulling the "seek and find" passage out of context. There is no doubt that if we seek after God, we will find him. But no matter how hard we seek, there are some answerss that will never be provided to us this side of heaven.

Luke 11:9: "And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
10: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11: If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12: Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13: If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"

John 16:"13": Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

All means All. All truth is all truth. Tell me how I am taking any of this out of context. I am taking it within context!

I think you need to re-read the bible your missing the mark.