The Gospel, What Went Wrong? (women, preaching, believers, scripture)
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If you try to accept the offer in the flesh, salvation is then by works and cannot save.
Yes thats correct
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“Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” John 1:13 (KJV 1900)
Yes those who received Jesus and believed on His Name in Jn 1:12 had been born of God. In other words, their believing on Him was the fruit of having been born of God.
You are sadly mistaken and completely ignore what the Bible says. I just showed you from the Bible that eternal salvation is an offer which can be either accepted or rejected.
Thats nowhere in scripture. All of Salvation/Eternal Life is a free gift Given to chosen sinners through Jesus Christ. Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through/in Jesus Christ our Lord
Jn 17:2
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Salvation/eternal life is in and by what Jesus Christ accomplished for them which The Father gave Him in Eternal election. Its not offered, and it cant be rejected.
Thats nowhere in scripture. All of Salvation/Eternal Life is a free gift Given to chosen sinners through Jesus Christ. Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through/in Jesus Christ our Lord
Jn 17:2
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Salvation/eternal life is in and by what Jesus Christ accomplished for them which The Father gave Him in Eternal election. Its not offered, and it cant be rejected.
I've already shown FROM scripture that it is. Salvation is offered to all who wish it. The offer can be accepted or rejected.
In scripture, we are to announce the good news of salvation. That is what the word preach means. So we are to preach the good news. But we turned it around making it an offer instead.
Offering salvation on the other hand turns the gospel into law. This means the person must save themselves by accepting the offer (law). So we end up turning an announcement to the saved into a law for the lost must obey in the flesh to in order to save themselves.
This means we turned grace into works as the means of salvation. Whatever the condition for salvation might be, we trust in meeting that instead of trusting in Christ.
Martin Luther said; First, God has promised certainly His grace to the humbled: that is, to the self-deploring and despairing. But a man cannot be thoroughly humbled, until he comes to know that his salvation is utterly beyond his own powers, counsel, endeavours, will, and works, and absolutely depending on the will, counsel, pleasure, and work of another, that is, of God only. For if, as long as he has any persuasion that he can do even the least thing himself towards his own salvation, he retain a confidence in himself and do not utterly despair in himself, so long he is not humbled before God; but he proposes to himself some place, some time, or some work, whereby he may at length attain unto salvation. Taken from Bondage of the Will.
An example would be if the speaker tells you that you must have faith, then we conjure up an intellectual assent thinking it is faith and trust in that to save us instead of Christ. That is we have faith in our faith instead of having faith in Christ.
Announcing the gospel on the other hand tells people about their salvation, already in place from eternity. We tell those who believe the message that they have eternal life or they wouldn’t believe what we are saying. It is a spontaneous faith and not a choice to believe. Any who chooses to believe does not believe based on experiencing Christ, or they wouldn’t need to choose.
The gospel tells those who believe to repent of their sins and live a holy life. This confirms their faith or they would walk away. Repentance is an outworking of the changed life from the Holy Spirit working in them, also called the New Birth.
You are saying that the gospel is for the saved and not the lost, but your favorite translation of the Bible says different.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were msealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (Ephesians 1:13 - KJV1900)
This seems to say you trusted AFTER you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. You were sealed with the Holy Spirit AFTER you believed.
And why does Paul write in Romans 1:16 that the gospel is the power of God UNTO (eis) salvation.
◄ 1519. eis ►
Strong's Concordance
eis: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, fig. purpose, result)
Original Word: εἰς
Part of Speech: Preposition
Transliteration: eis
Phonetic Spelling: (ice)
Definition: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, purpose, result)
Usage: into, in, unto, to, upon, towards, for, among.
And is t James 1:18 saying one is born again “by the word of truth?”
How do you explain these verses?
Last edited by MissKate12; 09-10-2022 at 11:59 AM..
In John 5:40 Jesus didn't tell the Pharisees that they couldn't come to him, he said that they wouldn't come to him so that they might have life. He gave them the gospel concerning himself and they rejected it, not because, contrary to the views of Calvinism and contrary to you and the OP, Jesus didn't die for them but because they didn't believe him. Jesus was giving them the gospel because he wanted them to accept that he was the Messiah.
It wouldn't make any sense for Jesus to give them the gospel so that they could be saved if he didn't intend to die for them so that they could be saved by coming to him. Think! Use your head.
Salvation is a free gift offered to all as is clearly shown in Revelation 22:17 and actually, in John 3:16 as well.
To be saved and receive the free gift of eternal life, one must simply, as stated in Acts 16:30-31, ''believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.''
The spiritually dead unbeliever is perfectly capable of responding to the gospel message because at the point of gospel hearing the Holy Spirit in his ministry of common grace makes the gospel understandable to him. As stated in John 16:8-11 the Holy Spirit convicts concerning sin, righteousness, and judgment.
Jesus tasted death for EVERY man as stated in Hebrews 2:9. It does not say that Jesus tasted death for everyone that he decided to taste death for. That's reading into the verse something it does not say. What it says is that Jesus tasted death for EVERY man so that as stated in John 3:16, WHO SO EVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. (Shouting so that it can't be ignored though it probably will be anyway. After all, you have to push your agenda).
In John 5:40 Jesus didn't tell the Pharisees that they couldn't come to him, he said that they wouldn't come to him so that they might have life. He gave them the gospel concerning himself and they rejected it, not because, contrary to the views of Calvinism and contrary to you and the OP, Jesus didn't die for them but because they didn't believe him. Jesus was giving them the gospel because he wanted them to accept that he was the Messiah.
It wouldn't make any sense for Jesus to give them the gospel so that they could be saved if he didn't intend to die for them so that they could be saved by coming to him. Think! Use your head.
Salvation is a free gift offered to all as is clearly shown in Revelation 22:17 and actually, in John 3:16 as well.
To be saved and receive the free gift of eternal life, one must simply, as stated in Acts 16:30-31, ''believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.''
The spiritually dead unbeliever is perfectly capable of responding to the gospel message because at the point of gospel hearing the Holy Spirit in his ministry of common grace makes the gospel understandable to him. As stated in John 16:8-11 the Holy Spirit convicts concerning sin, righteousness, and judgment.
Jesus tasted death for EVERY man as stated in Hebrews 2:9. It does not say that Jesus tasted death for everyone that he decided to taste death for. That's reading into the verse something it does not say. What it says is that Jesus tasted death for EVERY man so that as stated in John 3:16, WHO SO EVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. (Shouting so that it can't be ignored though it probably will be anyway. After all, you have to push your agenda).
People wont come to Jesus Christ because they cant come to Him Jn 6:44,65 they go hand in hand !
People wont come to Jesus Christ because they cant come to Him Jn 6:44,65 they go hand in hand !
You insist on ignoring the scriptures that I've already shown you which contradict you. You don't have it within yourself to see that you follow a damnable theology. Calvinism's teaching about God has him being worse than the devil. Apparently that's the kind of god you prefer. Suit yourself then.
Last edited by Michael Way; 09-10-2022 at 06:24 PM..
In scripture, we are to announce the good news of salvation. That is what the word preach means. So we are to preach the good news. But we turned it around making it an offer instead.
Offering salvation on the other hand turns the gospel into law. This means the person must save themselves by accepting the offer (law). So we end up turning an announcement to the saved into a law for the lost must obey in the flesh to in order to save themselves.
This means we turned grace into works as the means of salvation. Whatever the condition for salvation might be, we trust in meeting that instead of trusting in Christ.
Martin Luther said; First, God has promised certainly His grace to the humbled: that is, to the self-deploring and despairing. But a man cannot be thoroughly humbled, until he comes to know that his salvation is utterly beyond his own powers, counsel, endeavours, will, and works, and absolutely depending on the will, counsel, pleasure, and work of another, that is, of God only. For if, as long as he has any persuasion that he can do even the least thing himself towards his own salvation, he retain a confidence in himself and do not utterly despair in himself, so long he is not humbled before God; but he proposes to himself some place, some time, or some work, whereby he may at length attain unto salvation. Taken from Bondage of the Will.
An example would be if the speaker tells you that you must have faith, then we conjure up an intellectual assent thinking it is faith and trust in that to save us instead of Christ. That is we have faith in our faith instead of having faith in Christ.
Announcing the gospel on the other hand tells people about their salvation, already in place from eternity. We tell those who believe the message that they have eternal life or they wouldn’t believe what we are saying. It is a spontaneous faith and not a choice to believe. Any who chooses to believe does not believe based on experiencing Christ, or they wouldn’t need to choose.
The gospel tells those who believe to repent of their sins and live a holy life. This confirms their faith or they would walk away. Repentance is an outworking of the changed life from the Holy Spirit working in them, also called the New Birth.
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