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Present day followers of Jesus have their roots in what God did leading up to Jesus appearing in Israel 2 millenia ago. These things are recorded in Scripture, both Hebrew and Greek originals. What I'm hearing as a standard by some of the posters here has little to do with any of that. They espouse a sort of American Media value system. They make no reference to the roots of God's antagonism to sin nor to His efficacy in dealing with it, transforming us by the Holy Spirit. According to God's value system for His nation Israel, if a male was found lying with another male as with a woman, they were both to be taken outside the city and stoned to death by the elders of that city ( various places, eg., Lv 20:13.) Age was not a consideration. If one of them was being victimized was not a consideration. The emphasis seems to be "if they are found." The societal effects of this sin make it a capital offense.
In 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 it is stated that the unjust do not enjoy the allotment of God's kingdom, the realm which is God and Him getting His own way, Right along with idolaters, adulterers, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers and extortioners the list begins with pornos which was definitely used for "male prositutes' in the days the Greek Scriptures were written. As well it names those that are homosexuals and one other term of a little difficulty. It is based in the idea of "soft." It has been rendered as "catamites" and as "effeminate." At any rate, these are all unjust and not walking after the Holy Spirit.
This doesn't seem to be what was described as ocurring when Todd was a teen. We know now that somewhere in people's late teens though early twenties their brains go through another growth spurt resulting in 4 times as many cells in their frontal lobes. This pertains to why younger persons seem to lack judgment. Though not a consideration in the law of God in Scripture, it is a law of God as creator.
There's another law than, "The law of sin unto death." It is, "The law of life and liberty in Christ Jesus." This is not a matter of assuming something based on certain words. Having the Holy Spirit inhabit your body with you makes you a new creation. The text cited above goes on to say, "And some of you were these, but you are bathed off, but you are hallowed, but you were justified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and in the spirit of our God." (1 Cor 6:11.) This is also not something in view of some of the posters on this thread.
My guess is that Todd, like a lot of kids with or without much moral training, specially when they get drunk, they try sexual things as acts, not identities. Which statistics are to be believed I don't know. I'm not up on the latest. Anywhere between 1 out of 3 to 1 out of 5 males have been sexually abused. Girls in the Christian community are able to deal with this with little prejudice. Unfortunately it is seldom mentioned by men, many of whom need healing in these areas. Many who have been more involved in these sins get to know Jesus and go on with their lives, certainly not making their identity out of being an "ex-gay" man. I suppose they would be more open to the benefit of our culture if there wasn't such strong misconceptions perpetrated by the secular media and radical pro-gay elements. Some to help others have been quite forward about their experience of repentance, faith and regeneration.
I'm very happy real people are used by God. Bentley isn't running for the American Presidency. (Having lived through quite a few, I've wondered if a little more reality wouldn't help that office too. Something needs to.) I'd like to know what kind of experience of God these critics have had, specially in influencing others to a significantly better life. They don't seem to have much knowledge of God.
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Present day followers of Jesus have their roots in what God did leading up to Jesus appearing in Israel 2 millenia ago. These things are recorded in Scripture, both Hebrew and Greek originals. What I'm hearing as a standard by some of the posters here has little to do with any of that. They espouse a sort of American Media value system. They make no reference to the roots of God's antagonism to sin nor to His efficacy in dealing with it, transforming us by the Holy Spirit. According to God's value system for His nation Israel, if a male was found lying with another male as with a woman, they were both to be taken outside the city and stoned to death by the elders of that city ( various places, eg., Lv 20:13.) Age was not a consideration. If one of them was being victimized was not a consideration. The emphasis seems to be "if they are found." The societal effects of this sin make it a capital offense.
In 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 it is stated that the unjust do not enjoy the allotment of God's kingdom, the realm which is God and Him getting His own way, Right along with idolaters, adulterers, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers and extortioners the list begins with pornos which was definitely used for "male prositutes' in the days the Greek Scriptures were written. As well it names those that are homosexuals and one other term of a little difficulty. It is based in the idea of "soft." It has been rendered as "catamites" and as "effeminate." At any rate, these are all unjust and not walking after the Holy Spirit.
This doesn't seem to be what was described as ocurring when Todd was a teen. We know now that somewhere in people's late teens though early twenties their brains go through another growth spurt resulting in 4 times as many cells in their frontal lobes. This pertains to why younger persons seem to lack judgment. Though not a consideration in the law of God in Scripture, it is a law of God as creator.
There's another law than, "The law of sin unto death." It is, "The law of life and liberty in Christ Jesus." This is not a matter of assuming something based on certain words. Having the Holy Spirit inhabit your body with you makes you a new creation. The text cited above goes on to say, "And some of you were these, but you are bathed off, but you are hallowed, but you were justified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and in the spirit of our God." (1 Cor 6:11.) This is also not something in view of some of the posters on this thread.
My guess is that Todd, like a lot of kids without much moral training, specially when they get drunk, they try sexual things as acts, not identities. Which statistics are to be believed I don't know. I'm not up on the latest. Anywhere between 1 out of 3 to 1 out of 5 males have been sexually abused. Girls in the Christian community are able to deal with this with little prejudice. Unfortunately it is seldom mentioned by men, many of whom need healing in these areas. Many who have been more involved in these sins get to know Jesus and go on with their lives, certainly not making their identity out of being an "ex-gay" man. I suppose they would be more open to the benefit of our culture if there wasn't such strong misconceptions perpetrated by the secular media and radical pro-gay elements. Some to help others have been quite forward about their experience of repentance, faith and regeneration.
I'm very happy real people are used by God. Bentley isn't running for the American Presidency. (Having lived through quite a few, I've wondered if a little more reality wouldn't help that office too. Something needs to.) I'd like to know what kind of experience of God these critics have had, specially in influencing others to a significantly better life. They don't seem to have much knowledge of God.
Things Todd could do: Admit it was sexual assault
Things Todd hasn't done: Admit it was sexual assault
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I was just going to let this thread die, but since it's been brought back up I guess I will post a comment. I originally posted because I was concerned about some friends of mine who were going to go see Bentley (they are in Fl this week) and I was concerned about some of his teachings. I didn't think my friends had any business subjecting themselves to what goes on in these "revival" meetings because it's my opinion that most or all of what goes on in them is indicative of demonic activity and has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit. I did speak with one of the ladies about my concerns and she took what I had to say into consideration, although she was still planning on going to see him.
She'll be returning this weekend and I'm anxious to see what she has to say about what she experienced while there.
Thank you everyone for your thoughts on this. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my original post.
This "revival" is demonic and a repeat of the manifestations brought forth by William Branham.
Without getting into all the details, it is simple enough to allow Todd to speak for himself. It is easily found on youtube if you like. He said that Jesus told him that he was to no longer speak of Him, but of the angel. The explanation was that the church already believed in Him, but needed to believe in the supernatural. Anything or anyone who seeks to remove your eyes from Christ is doing so to deceive.
12. Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren I do not want you to be ignorant:
2. You know that you were Gentiles,
carried away to these dumb idols, how-
ever you were led.
3. Therefore I make known to you that
no one speaking by the Spirit of God
calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say
that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy
Spirit.
4. Now there are diversities of gifts, but
the same Spirit.
5. There are differences of ministries,
but the same Lord.
6. And there are diversities of activities,
but it is the same God who works all
in all.
7. But the manifestation of the Spirit is
given to each one for the profit of all:
8. for to one is given the word of wisdom
through the Spirit, to another the word of
knowledge through the same Spirit,
9. to another faith by the same Spirit, to
another gifts of healings by the same
Spirit,
10. to another the workings of miracles, to
another prophecy, to another discerning
of spirits, to another different kinds of
tongues, to another the interpretation of
tongues.
11. but one and the same Spirit works all
these things, distributing to each one in-
dividually as He wills.
(1 Corinthians 12: 1-11)
Let the Holy Spirit of God Do His job. All will be reveal in due time.
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. (Gal. 6: 7)
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Todd Bentley- Dangerous Man
