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Let us break down John 1:1-14 to reflect what Jesus says, if we believe that which was said.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Is Jesus the Word?Yes or no He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. He is the Creator? Yes or no
In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. He is the Light ? Yes or no
There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. He was not the Light, but to testify about the Light. There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Nice presentation.
Is it possible that the Word is what brings Oneness to the Sons of God. And when we become the Word, we are One as well. Jesus is the Only Begotten, In that He received a fullness of the word from the beginning. We did not, we are here to accept it or not.
Well the trinity is like the atom. You have a Neutron, Proton, and an electron. Three seperate parts with seperate funtions, yet all equal one atom.
1 John 5:7 states as much. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
The Bible tells us that God exist in three persons, yet they have the ability to be in more than one place at one time. When God speaks of the creation of man in the Old Testament He says, "let (us) make man in (our) image and in (our) likness." So the idea of the trinity started from the very beginning, and in the Old Testament first.
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I agree with you HSV, I have heard and understand all of the explanations and analogies for the trinity. It's not that I don't get it...I just can't reckon it in the scriptures. In addition, the relationship used by Jesus to describe the relationship he has with God, father/son, denotes a hierarchy. John 3:16 clearly says that God gave his only begotten son, this was a father/son relationship already established in heaven. Plus, the word begotten means to make, father, sire...so God made Jesus.
It bothers me that people think I'm being disrespectful to Jesus by not holding him equal to God. Actually, I feel that I am showing respect to God by holding no one equal to Him. I still have DEEP respect for Jesus and his position as reigning king, the act of dying for our sins, and I acknowledge that I can only go through Jesus to pray to God.
Who created the earth? The Bible tells us that God made the earth alone and by Himself. The Bible also tell us that Jesus made the earth and all things. So who do you believe made the earth and all things?
Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!
This is one of the very first Bible verse that most Jewish boys and girls learn. It binds the Jewish life and community together. Every devout Jew recited it daily and even utter the Shema when dying. This is the one belief that distinguished Israel from all the surrounding nations that had multiple gods. "The Lord is one Lord" is thus Israel's classic statement of monotheism, Judaism's highest confession of Faith. It speaks of Yahweh's uniqueness and exclusiveness, that he is one single integral person, not divisible......
Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!
This is one of the very first Bible verse that most Jewish boys and girls learn. It binds the Jewish life and community together. Every devout Jew recited it daily and even utter the Shema when dying. This is the one belief that distinguished Israel from all the surrounding nations that had multiple gods. "The Lord is one Lord" is thus Israel's classic statement of monotheism, Judaism's highest confession of Faith. It speaks of Yahweh's uniqueness and exclusiveness, that he is one single integral person, not divisible......
And yet when God spoke of the creation of man God said. "Let (us) make man in (our) image and in (our) likeness". God is one, yet God exists as one God in three persons. Just as the atom exist as one, but made up of three elements.
Jesus thought that His Father was greater. He said call me not the good, ONLY the Father in heaven is Good.
He also said, I can only do what I see the Father do.
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Jesus (did not say) "call me not the good." Jesus did say ("Why call me good")? Then Jesus said, only God is good.
Jesus was asking an obvious question. And I think the answer to that question just went over your head. LOL
And you might recall, it was the Father who spoke to Jesus and said, your throne oh God is for ever and ever. Did you forget the part where the Father calls Jesus God? The Father did not call Jesus a prophet, He called Him God.
This subject got me thinking in another thread and I didn't want to get too far off topic so I figured I would start a new thread. I did do some searching and did not find anything to really answer my question.
This is for Christians who do believe in the trinity, and I guess everyone else can chime in. With the trinity actually never being brought up in the Bible, so many contradictions to it, and a few verses that could halfway talk about it, it seems tough for me to comprehend. I personally believe that God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are all separate.
I have read the analogy of: gas, water, and ice but one changes to another and it is never the same at the same time.
One of the biggest contradictions is John 14:28
28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
So if the trinity is true, how can one part be greater than another?
I am not meaning to be rude, I am really curious.
You are correct. If you want to know the truth behind the word "trinity" research the Nicene council and the creed that followed. And remember, this is a group of MEN, not the Lord deciding on what is what and taking votes and compromising.
You are in great company, my friend, Sir Issac Newton held your beliefs and was almost excommunicated from 'the church' because he would not conform to that thought of the trinity...he knew better.
the 'trinity' is like the Federal Government.
The trinity has God, the Lord, and the Holy Spirit while the Federal Government has the Judicial branch, the Executive branch, and the legislative branch.
They all work together as one...and they are not seperable as in you can't have one without the other yet they are seperate entities.
The doctrine of Trinity is a human concept which was hotly debated in the early centuries AD. What is important to us is that is doesn't matter to our salvation if it is one in three or three in one. Let theologians spin and twist as they like. We are saved through Jesus's sacrifice for our sins and God's grace. Praise God! Resist getting mired down in murky human theology and take your inspiration directly from God's written word.
Jesus (did not say) "call me not the good." Jesus did say ("Why call me good")? Then Jesus said, only God is good.
Jesus was asking an obvious question. And I think the answer to that question just went over your head. LOL
And you might recall, it was the Father who spoke to Jesus and said, your throne oh God is for ever and ever. Did you forget the part where the Father calls Jesus God? The Father did not call Jesus a prophet, He called Him God.
Yes, and when His disciples asked Him when the end would come He said that only the Father knows the time. Jesus and all of the angels did not know.
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