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Yeah, me too, Arguy. [b]This is a stupid thread[b], and I don't blame GCS for leaving. I still say this extremely misconstrued concept of perfection that some have stems from the LDS beliefs. Beam me up, Scottie!!!
Dotl, its all in the KJV bible, you do realize this thread is regarding perfection, and that Jesus calls for us to be Perfect.
No one yet has been able to show me in the scriptures where we are called to reamain in sin and not be perfect.
Amazing that you are siding with a Atheist on this one, a very kind and intelligent Atheist, but nonetheless one that does not regard the word of God as truth.
There are few people that i have ever met that truly have the Annointing of the Holy Ghost. It is received in righteousness and wielded in holyness. Personally i do not have it. Though i desire it.
One that has the gift of the Holy Spirit can raise the dead, heal, speak in true tongues of Man and Angels, eat or drink any deadly thing and it will not harm them.
What i do have is like HotinAZ has said, the word written on my heart, which is revealed in conscience (knowing right from wrong).
Jesus truly lived a sinless life, and He came here to show us how. That the law was given out of disobedience, remember Moses pleaded to God that the Hebrews be spared, and the law was given.
The promises of Christ are a gift of unspeakable power and glory. When one lives them, they are everything that Jesus said they would be. Even a fulness of Christ.
THere is no mistaking it, you either have the power or you don't.
godspeed,
freedom
The Holy Spirit is within all believers. For a believer to be able to raise the dead, etc.etc. it would not be for someone to glorify that believer, it would be for them to glorify the Lord. Ive saw people who were all about getting the "annointing"..they hungered after "power" to be able to do things. They hungered after the "things" of God rather than hungering after God. Do I believe that someone can be healed if "I" pray for them? Yes..if GOD chooses, Its my job to be a willing vessel in which God uses. Its not about me having power, its about me walking close to God.
Thank God that the Holy Spirit does NOT leave me when I sin, what he does is convict me of that sin and point me back towards Christ.
There is only one man that ever lived a sinless life, that would be Jesus. All thru the Bible God used imperfect people to accomplish his will, as he still does today.
Hbr 6:1 ¶ Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Hbr 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hbr 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Hbr 6:4 [b] For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hbr 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hbr 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame. [b]
Dotl, its all in the KJV bible, you do realize this thread is regarding perfection, and that Jesus calls for us to be Perfect.
No one yet has been able to show me in the scriptures where we are called to reamain in sin and not be perfect.
Amazing that you are siding with a Atheist on this one, a very kind and intelligent Atheist, but nonetheless one that does not regard the word of God as truth.
godspeed,
freedom
I think what is trying to be conveyed is that while the Bible tells us to be perfect, it is a journey..only to be completed upon meeting our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To sin less..walk closer with Jesus.
The Holy Spirit is within all believers. For a believer to be able to raise the dead, etc.etc. it would not be for someone to glorify that believer, it would be for them to glorify the Lord.
It's all for the glory of God, do we bring honor to the kingdom in well doing or in self? Who do you know that has the power?
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Ive saw people who were all about getting the "annointing"..they hungered after "power" to be able to do things. They hungered after the "things" of God rather than hungering after God. Do I believe that someone can be healed if "I" pray for them? Yes..if GOD chooses, Its my job to be a willing vessel in which God uses. Its not about me having power, its about me walking close to God.
And that can be a stumbling block, First follow the promise of righteousness, through the Be-attitudes and the Law of Charity, then the annointing will come. Live the laws and you will know, whether they are of Man or of God.
The way we will know is by the gift of the Holy Ghost.
God wants all to be healed, if one is not healed then the power is not vested in the one doing the healing, and they need to go and repent and cleanse themselves of impurity before performing the rights of God.
1Jo 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jo 3:4 ¶ Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jo 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
I think what is trying to be conveyed is that while the Bible tells us to be perfect, it is a journey..only to be completed upon meeting our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To sin less..walk closer with Jesus.
Jesus is waiting for us to live His word, that He may appear and make His abode with us, He will appear to anyone that lives His word, that is His promise.
We are not perfected after death, no where does it say we will be like Jesus if we don't keep His commandments, we may be salvaged, but not exalted, nor receive the divine nature as spoken of by Peter.
2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
I think what is trying to be conveyed is that while the Bible tells us to be perfect, it is a journey..only to be completed upon meeting our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To sin less..walk closer with Jesus.
See I agree with this. Do we meet while still in the flesh though? A revealing?
1Cr 1:3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given you in Christ Jesus, that in everything you were enriched in Him, in all speech and all knowledge, even as the testimony concerning Christ was confirmed in you, so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Is this while abiding in the flesh, or after death?
And that can be a stumbling block, First follow the promise of righteousness, through the Be-attitudes and the Law of Charity, then the annointing will come. Live the laws and you will know, whether they are of Man or of God.
The way we will know is by the gift of the Holy Ghost.
God wants all to be healed, if one is not healed then the power is not vested in the one doing the healing, and they need to go and repent and cleanse themselves of impurity before performing the rights of God.
but not all that are prayed for are healed, so you blame the person that prayed for the sick person that wasnt healed? I think it boils down to Gods will vs mans will...He holds the future, Im not promised another day.
I will agree on this point..if I am walking daily with Christ and my life is lining up with the word...God will use me..but walking daily with Christ still doesnt mean I can obtain perfection.
See I agree with this. Do we meet while still in the flesh though? A revealing?
1Cr 1:3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given you in Christ Jesus, that in everything you were enriched in Him, in all speech and all knowledge, even as the testimony concerning Christ was confirmed in you, so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Is this while abiding in the flesh, or after death?
depends on whether we are still alive when Jesus comes back or not..
but not all that are prayed for are healed, so you blame the person that prayed for the sick person that wasnt healed? I think it boils down to Gods will vs mans will...He holds the future, Im not promised another day.
I will agree on this point..if I am walking daily with Christ and my life is lining up with the word...God will use me..but walking daily with Christ still doesnt mean I can obtain perfection.
If we truly walked with God daily, we would grow beyond perfection, we would be filled with His fulness.
Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
godspeed,
freedom
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