Know anyone who has left CATHOLICISM? (preaching, abortion, creation, morals)

[skbs]

Originally Posted by Capt. Dan

No offense intended. I find religious doctine of ANY religion confusing. The only REAL issue I have with Catholicism is the "one true church" thing. And maybe the way they seemingly tried to cover up the pedophilia/priest thing. But hey. Alot of Protestant ministers are sleezy too!

I agree... it should have been handled differently...I don't like how it was dealt with... BUT it isn't just the Catholic Church and I do wish more people would recognize, as you did, that there are "SLEEZY" people in every religion... it is a few apples who spoil the bunch.

Also, I think there are a many Holier than thou Catholics on here that love to brag that the Catholics wrote the bible... OK... here is MY theory as ONE Catholic...again MY thoughts...Yes, perhaps the Catholic Church was the first church (I said perhaps)... but with the same belief in CHRIST other people left the Catholic Church and made interpretations of the bible (created much the same way as the game of "telephone" 100s of years after the death of Jesus Christ).... why is it so wrong to have more than one form of Christian Church? Personally I don't get it... If you read the bible and read it one way and the Catholic Church reads it another then so be it... it wasn't written by JESUS... it is Man's written account of the Life and teachings of Jesus... I am a firm believer to let people find their own path to Christ... that may be though the RCC or any other church you deem fit as long as it is a true path to live a Christian life... Catholic, Baptist... whatever your path may be.

[ted08721]

Originally Posted by Capt. Dan

Can this old Baptist country boy ask a question of the Catholics in this forum? Please? Why would anyone turn to a celibate [supposedly], unmarried priest for marriage/sex counseling? Isnt that sort of like asking a guy with no arms how to throw a curve ball?

Very few do but if you do get one to reply they most likely will start quoting From Pope John Paul II's book "theology of the body" he fancied himself an expert on most subjects and even thought his personal opinions were infallible.

[Capt. Dan]

Originally Posted by skbs

I agree... it should have been handled differently...I don't like how it was dealt with... BUT it isn't just the Catholic Church and I do wish more people would recognize, as you did, that there are "SLEEZY" people in every religion... it is a few apples who spoil the bunch.

Also, I think there are a many Holier than thou Catholics on here that love to brag that the Catholics wrote the bible... OK... here is MY theory as ONE Catholic...again MY thoughts...Yes, perhaps the Catholic Church was the first church (I said perhaps)... but with the same belief in CHRIST other people left the Catholic Church and made interpretations of the bible (created much the same way as the game of "telephone" 100s of years after the death of Jesus Christ).... why is it so wrong to have more than one form of Christian Church? Personally I don't get it... If you read the bible and read it one way and the Catholic Church reads it another then so be it... it wasn't written by JESUS... it is Man's written account of the Life and teachings of Jesus... I am a firm believer to let people find their own path to Christ... that may be though the RCC or any other church you deem fit as long as it is a true path to live a Christian life... Catholic, Baptist... whatever your path may be.

I couldnt have said it better!

[skbs]

Originally Posted by ted08721

Very few do but if you do get one to reply they most likely will start quoting From Pope John Paul II's book "theology of the body" he fancied himself an expert on most subjects and even thought his personal opinions were infallible.

I did reply... explained Pre Cana... it is run (in my church) primarily by the married (with Children) Deacon and Married Couples... Our Deacon offers a large portion of the marriage advice/councling.

[ted08721]

Originally Posted by skbs

I did reply... explained Pre Cana... it is run (in my church) primarily by the married (with Children) Deacon and Married Couples... Our Deacon offers a large portion of the marriage advice/councling.

Yes you did reply about Pre Cana for couples that want to get married in the Church, but I think and I might be wrong but his question "Why would anyone turn to a celibate [supposedly], unmarried priest for marriage/sex counseling?" involves more then just a program set up so that a couple can get married in the Church. Pre Cana is not marriage couseling in the everyday context of the term, same goes for counseling on sex. If my wife and I needed marriage/sex counseling we would not be going to Pre Cana.

[skbs]

Originally Posted by ted08721

Yes you did reply about Pre Cana for couples that want to get married in the Church, but I think and I might be wrong but his question "Why would anyone turn to a celibate [supposedly], unmarried priest for marriage/sex counseling?" involves more then just a program set up so that a couple can get married in the Church. Pre Cana is not marriage couseling in the everyday context of the term, same goes for counseling on sex. If my wife and I needed marriage/sex counseling we would not be going to Pre Cana.

AND I then stated that my MARRIED w/ CHIDREN DEACON gives marriage advice and councel in our church... the PRIEST provides explaination for the Church Teachings/doctrine... so, as this is becoming repititious, I hope you can gather from my posts it isn't JUST the priest offering marriage support/advice in the Catholic Church... there are actually committees of married individuals in some churches.... it all varies/ depends on the parish community...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_Encounter

[ted08721]

Originally Posted by skbs

AND I then stated that my MARRIED w/ CHIDREN DEACON gives marriage advice and councel in our church... the PRIEST provides explaination for the Church Teachings/doctrine... so, as this is becoming repititious, I hope you can gather from my posts it isn't JUST the priest offering marriage support/advice in the Catholic Church... there are actually committees of married individuals in some churches.... it all varies/ depends on the parish community...

I think in your original post you did not mention about the deacon doing marriage counseling, you only mentioned that in your reply to me I believe, but if I am mistaken I stand corrected.

[skbs]

Originally Posted by ted08721

I think in your original post you did not mention about the deacon doing marriage counseling, you only mentioned that in your reply to me I believe, but if I am mistaken I stand corrected.

Yes, the post you quoted when you said I only talked about Pre-Cana...I concluded that with the topic of my Deacon...

No worries, just explaining myself.

[juj]

Originally Posted by cpg35223

Exactly. Would you go to a dentist who had never actually practiced, only getting his information out of textbooks? Nope. You couldn't catch me. For theoretical knowledge is just that--theoretical. My Episcopal priest knows what it is like to be married and to raise children, so his advice, while wholly consistent with Christian values, is grounded in real life. In fact, a former priest at my church was a Catholic priest before he left the church. He said himself, "I had no idea how hard it really was to be a husband and a father before I was actually a husband and a father. I shudder to think about the bad advice I used to give people."

The thing is, that celibacy wasn't required for the priesthood until the 12 Century and, even then, it took two different lateran councils to decide the issue. What's more, in Paul's letter to Timothy he is quite explicit in discussing that a bishop or deacon can only have one wife. Not a figurative wife, but a real flesh-and-blood wife. Further, there were church conferences (Most notably one in Malaga) where it was argued whether or not a priest's estate would go to his wife or the church.

Episcopals being the experts in marriage is a little hypocritical. The church started when the King of England wouldn't be granted a divorce by the Pope. So if you can't get a divorce, you start a new religion and grant your own divorce.......Nice!

[ted08721]

Originally Posted by skbs

Yes, the post you quoted when you said I only talked about Pre-Cana...I concluded that with the topic of my Deacon...

No worries, just explaining myself.

My main concern is the Church's view on marriage and how it pertains to marrital sex and that every act should be openned to conception and how many conservative Catholics use Pope John II's book"theology of the Body" to support their position. It seems for some Catholic the two most important Catholic writers in modern time are John Paul II and Scott Hahn which only represents a narrow vision of Catholic thought along with EWTN.