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View Poll Results: Do you believe Jesus is THE way or A way?
I fully believe salvation is found in no other name but Jesus 84 84.00%
I believe Jesus is one way of many. 7 7.00%
I believe Jesus is probably the 'best' way, but certainly not the 'only way. 5 5.00%
I have no idea, but I still consider myself a Christian 4 4.00%
Voters: 100. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-28-2008, 07:34 AM
 
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Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin.
Christ paid the penalty for our sin
We either accept that or not...
I have accepted the gift of life though Christ
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Old 07-28-2008, 10:43 AM
 
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I understand what your are saying... But they cannot know the nature of Christ... They hear about the gospel of Christ, but they cannot perceive and know Him and His nature.
No one can know Christ outside of Himself.... but the one who is born again!
They know about Him, but to know Him personally is totally different Byron!
And to say that they know Him as well and better is not true.
Nicodemus is a good example of one who knew about Him, yet he did not know who He was and is...
Maybe it is your choice of words...!
Anyone outside of the true gospel of Christ -Christianity, which is Christ centered cannot truly know Him well or better.
It is head knowledge..... not heart knowledge! That is the difference!!!
And to tell me that one who doesn't give a hoot about Him, but they know about..... knows Him better is a lie~ and is not a true teaching of the Scripture....

Said, what I meant.... and meant what I said!
The church is not a building, but the body of Christ Jesus!
If I begin to think outside of Christ (the "box" as some have stated) and what His Holy Spirit has lead and taught me through the scripture, then I'm following the gospel of Curly! I have compromised and forsaken the way of the truth.
Yes, God is bigger. And His word, the scripture is the testimony of Him. And the answer to a world hurting because of sin. It's about Jesus, not about us!!!
There are some who claim to be christians but speak another gospel.
If what they proclaim to be the truth, it would have been written in the Word so that the Holy Spirit would lead, teach, for all to see. Not a selected so call few....
But some seem to think God has given them a special revelation of His word. What it sounds like to me is sensualization... the flesh!!! And not keeping with the Truth.
And for some odd reason (I wonder why...) seem to always come along and take from the OP! Bring confusion and their interpretation of the scripture..... Not God's Holy Spirit enlighting the heart into His truth..... Very sad!!!
But that is how satan works and he uses individuals to be instruments to distort and lead other's away from the truth.

Now for the OP
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Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me."

Do you believe that?

Explain why or why not.

The Truth is :
Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me."

There is no other way....anything else other then this is a lie and teaches against the Truth.
This is what God's Holy Spirit has taught me and this being in my heart by the grace of God through faith in Christ Jesus and wants to dispute it is calling God a liar.
So if anyone has a problem with it take it up with my Lord Jesus. For He is my life and without Him I could do nothing.

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Old 07-28-2008, 10:56 AM
 
Location: South Africa
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Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin.
I do not relate to atonement but I hear what you say. Gentiles were never under the law hence any blood sacrifices practiced by the Jews were for the Jews only.

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Christ paid the penalty for our sin
We either accept that or not...
I agree, accepting it is IMO not limited to this age. Also I do not think God is so hung up on our sin as we make it out to be. Not that I condone any sin of any sort but it sure makes one wonder in light of your statement was the sacrifice of Jesus not enough for all mankind, past. present and future? If it is then what we do ess cannot add to what He did.

This again is the irony of the mainstream Christendom teachings that God accepts you just as you are yet after "accepting" we are then required to conform to the law of the Jews. I do believe the law is written in our hearts (believer or not) as I do not believe man is empirically designed to do evil by default. Most folk want to do the right things but even as Christians, we all fail and sin and fall short of the mark. Hence the "sacrifice" of Jesus. Now let us examine this a bit deeper.

If Jesus death meant that it paid for all mankind's sin past, present and future, it sure looks like we have an open checkbook to sin don't you think? Well scripture says if we confess our sin, He is faithful to forgive. So where does that place the "sacrificial" bit then? It would seem that in spite of what we profess, we somehow believe that we are OK because we have "accepted" the atonement and hence when we fail "we are covered". Well that all seems a bit selfish to me as in essence we only believe we are saved from sin where other do not believe. Now where did Jesus say our cover is conditional to our obedience? And if you cite that, it stands to reason that when we fail and say a non-believer fails at the same time - we are in essence in the same boat. We may be convicted and repent aka metenoia to do a 180 and maybe the non-believer also has regrets - what then is the difference?

Let us say we fail again and again due to some weakness and let us say an unbeliever has the exact same weakness and also fails at the same frequency. What is the difference. Surely the "faithfulness to forgive" extends to both believer and unbeliever if both have regret? And if both pledge in their hearts not to do it again?

I believe it is worse for the believer that already knows and then crucifies the Saviour afresh each time they sin. Are we to assume the moral conviction we experience is not working in the unbeliever too? Do we only have a conscience when we become believers? I don't think so.

If you study the old Jewish tradition of sin offerings, it was more for the sinner's guilt appeasement rather than to appease the Father. Why do I say this?

Well when we look at the parable of the Prodigal son, we see one that ess. rejected the "way" to conform and did his own thing. Then he came back and what did the father do? He ran to him and rejoiced. What did the other son do?? Well IMO the other son is very much indicative of the so called "saved" folk who believe they are now righteous. Is there a difference between the two sons? Absolutely! The one already squandered his inheritance and the other not - he was waiting for dad to die first. Who knows what he would do when dad was no longer there? Well we only need to look at the stayed behind son and see how bitter he was and then measure that attitude to our own when we look at brothers and sisters that do not do it "our" way. Personally the lost son probably had more appreciation of the Father as he was forgiven much - so too will it be with the unbeliever when he/she finally sees the Father running to meet them. They will not only bow the knee IMO they will grovel in humiliation - where will we be?

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I have accepted the gift of life though Christ
Me too. That my friend, is a privilege and not something that makes us special. You are one of the chosen out of the many called.

That is the crux of the matter. We think we made a choice but the truth is, He chose us - that should make us very humble.

This is why I do not try and convert anyone as IMO it is all in the Father's hands anyway. I should shine as a light and should project something different to the world - that is all. When questioned, I shall share my beliefs but I will NOT bible punch.

Why He calls only a few now I dunno. He must have His reasons and I am just eternally grateful that I have been drawn (John 6:44)

Joh 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who has sent Me draw him, and I will raise him up at the last day.

He is in control, not us.

Blessings
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Old 07-28-2008, 01:33 PM
 
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Seeker,

Good post.
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Old 07-28-2008, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Said, what I meant.... and meant what I said!
The church is not a building, but the body of Christ Jesus!
If I begin to think outside of Christ (the "box" as some have stated) and what His Holy Spirit has lead and taught me through the scripture, then I'm following the gospel of Curly! I have compromised and forsaken the way of the truth.
Christ is not "the box". "The box" is comprised of the limitations which Christian religious myth and tradition have put upon the message of Christ.
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Yes, God is bigger. And His word, the scripture is the testimony of Him. And the answer to a world hurting because of sin. It's about Jesus, not about us!!!
I've already been informed in this thread that it's not about me or you or anyone, and I get the point yet Jesus came and suffered for us so that part is definitely about us.

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There are some who claim to be christians but speak another gospel.
And there are those who claim nothing, but they live the true gospel.

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If what they proclaim to be the truth, it would have been written in the Word so that the Holy Spirit would lead, teach, for all to see. Not a selected so call few....
He answered them, "You have been given knowledge about the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but it hasn't been given to them".

The mysteries are written but most do not understand (have not been given knowledge about) them.

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But some seem to think God has given them a special revelation of His word. What it sounds like to me is sensualization... the flesh!!! And not keeping with the Truth.
What's clear to me in scripture is not clear to everyone and believe me, it is death to the flesh - daily.

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And for some odd reason (I wonder why...) seem to always come along and take from the OP! Bring confusion and their interpretation of the scripture..... Not God's Holy Spirit enlighting the heart into His truth..... Very sad!!!
There's no odd reason. Religion has always limited and stood against the Spirit of God. As in Jesus' day - so today. Those who claimed to be representing God then were actually blocking the doors to the Kingdom by their tradition.

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the Op says

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me."

Do you believe that?

Explain why or why not.
So I voted 'yes' and explained why. I also made a rude comment and publicly apologized after Alpha called me out on it.

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But that is how satan works and he uses individuals to be instruments to distort and lead other's away from the truth.
The OP called for all to vote and explain why. Alpha is no spring chicken and knew the open discussion opportunity he was creating. I don't think 'opposing views/interpretations' = 'the work of satan'.

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Now for the OP

The Truth is :
Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me."

There is no other way....anything else other then this is a lie and teaches against the Truth.
What I'm disputing is NOT that Jesus is the only way. It is the lie that if people never heard or if they don't adhere to a particular religious creed then they cannot know God through the person of Jesus.

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This is what God's Holy Spirit has taught me and this being in my heart by the grace of God through faith in Christ Jesus and wants to dispute it is calling God a liar.
Let God be true and every man a liar.

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So if anyone has a problem with it take it up with my Lord Jesus. For He is my life and without Him I could do nothing.
I have no problem with whatever view you have or what you believe God has shown you in the sciptures. I am just encouraging folks to see that God is bigger than the nice neat little evangelical package which some have Him wrapped up in

Blessings,
- Byron
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Old 07-28-2008, 06:11 PM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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I have no problem with whatever view you have or what you believe God has shown you in the sciptures. I am just encouraging folks to see that God is bigger than the nice neat little evangelical package which some have Him wrapped up in

Blessings,
- Byron
Dear Byron, I guess those who are receptive enough to your message have already figured it out, the problem is that when you were raised in a way and all your life were told that the "truth" is this, it's nearly impossible for you to change your mind, when it was made up so long ago.

It is funny though, because all sacred scriptures say the same, and all are considered the word of God, but few religious paths accept that any true religion will lead you to Salvation, I prefer the word Liberation or Moksha, but it's the same thing.
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Old 07-28-2008, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Oxford, OH
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I agree seeker. I do think God chooses us. I guess I feel we are predestined. Many have a problem since I think they feel "they choose" but I do feel that God is the one who draws us to himself.
I believe Christ paid for sin, past, present and future. I think we do our best out of love and thankfulness for all that God has done for us in saving us. Paul says where sin is grace abounds. But he also says that we should not sin on purpose just so grace abounds. I don't think many people think oh I have a "get out of jail card free" so I can just do as I please and God keeps forgiving me. When we sin I think we separate our fellowship with God until we ask forgiveness and turn away from our sin.
But also just being a "good person" is not enough without Christ. God says our good works are as filthy rags. He doesn't need our good works. We are only saved by the saving blood of what Christ did on the cross for us.
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Old 07-28-2008, 08:56 PM
 
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I agree seeker. I do think God chooses us. I guess I feel we are predestined. Many have a problem since I think they feel "they choose" but I do feel that God is the one who draws us to himself.
I believe Christ paid for sin, past, present and future. I think we do our best out of love and thankfulness for all that God has done for us in saving us. Paul says where sin is grace abounds. But he also says that we should not sin on purpose just so grace abounds. I don't think many people think oh I have a "get out of jail card free" so I can just do as I please and God keeps forgiving me. When we sin I think we separate our fellowship with God until we ask forgiveness and turn away from our sin.
But also just being a "good person" is not enough without Christ. God says our good works are as filthy rags. He doesn't need our good works. We are only saved by the saving blood of what Christ did on the cross for us.
By what measure does He choose? And why if He created us does He favor some and not the other.

I believe God has never predestined us to any fate that we ourselves do not choose to be part of.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 07-30-2008, 12:46 PM
 
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Jesus is the only way to the Father. There is no other name by which we can be saved. Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is the Lord.
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Old 04-17-2009, 07:50 PM
 
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Yes, Jesus is the ONLY way (John 14:6). He sent His ONLY begotten son (John 3:16).
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