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I would let my wife make that choice. Would she set aside her life for our unborn child? That would be her decision.
I am "pro-choice" when it comes to one person laying down their life for another. Women have the right to decide if they will make that ultimate sacrifice. However, no one has the right to decide that their convenience is more valuable than a life. We as a society (should) value life over inconvenience or financial hardship.
FWIW: If the doctor said my wife would die and the child would survive, but I could save my wife by giving her my heart, I would do so in an instant. I am willing to give up my life for those I love, which includes my unborn children.
I especially like this:
However, no one has the right to decide that their convenience is more valuable than a life. We as a society (should) value life over inconvenience or financial hardship.
What about the medical advances and technology that give is the ability to foresee the health of an unborn child?
There are many cases of children that 'weren't supposed to survive' actually surviving.
I'd also like to point out that the medically necessary abortions you are talking about are a minuscule minority to the slaughter that is happening daily as we all politely discuss choices.
Life is being extinguished. Humans are being murdered.
Tell ya what, go dance on a sea turtle nest and see how much of a ruckus gets started. Those eggs/embryos are just as much life or lack thereof as a human embryo.
That's where I think we see people having double standards. We care more for potential life in animals than we do in humans. (And weather, you know my post isn't directed at you but at these points, ya know?)
I have a scenerio for all of you who are so quick to make the "right to life" decision for someone else:
Your wife is pregnant with your first child. Something that you have dreamed about for a very long time. Maybe even your whole life (as my husband did). You are at your first sonogram and you see the heartbeat. The doctor tells the nurse that before you leave he needs to see you in his office. You sit comforably in his office clutching the picture of your new baby. It's not much to look at for now, but in just 32 more weeks you will be holding your first child. A miracle of God. The doctor comes in and tells you that there appears to be some complications. He states that your child is healthy but if your wife were to carry the child to term, she would surely lose her life. You will have a beautiful healthy child, but your wife will die. He also tells you that he is 85% sure that if you were to disrupt this pregnancy now, you will be able to conceive again and have no complications. I wonder if you are able to quickly make this decision.
PS: No matter how many 2nd opinions you get, this is still the outcome.
Are you positive that you will stand by your 'right to life' choice?
No, I wouldn't be able to quickly make this decision.
Unfortunately, this isn't the 'normal' decision.
The normal decision goes more like this:
I screwed up. Didn't practice safe sex. Now I'm preggers, like, oh my gosh!
No worries, I'll call that guy and ask him to help me pay. Crap, he gave me a fake number.
Oh well, PlannedParenthood will help me out.
Off to my appointment with my birth control doctor!
I know there are exceptions, weather, but denying that most of today's abortions are little more than late contraceptives is living in a fantasy world.
For those exceptions of rape, incest, and the types you mentioned, certainly a lot of thought needs to go into our legislating this thing. But we're talking about outright slaughter. Have you seen the numbers?
If even a large portion of aborted babies were in the scenarios of rape, incest, or medical conditions all we'd hear on the news is the flood of occurrences of these diseases and causes.....but we don't, do we?
This all turns on whether you beleive that a fetus is a person, or just some cellular goo that mmight someday become a person. I have seen too many ultrasounds and read too many studies to accept that a fetus is not a person. I have to say, that I am not certain at what time a fetus shold be considered a baby. Certainly in the third trimester. WHat about at the instant of conception? Does god give the baby a soul at the instnat of conception? Later? When?
I think that each person must decide what they beleive about the status of a fetus for themselves. If a fetus is nothing but goo, then this is an easy question. Assuming that a fetus is a person, then you have to look at this in terms of when it is ok to kill a person.
If your wife was standing in front of an onrushing vehicle with a child and she can push the child out of the way or jump out of the way herself but not both, whose choice is that? It is her choice and her choice only. However if she can save her self only by pulling the child in front of the vehicle, and the child would be safe if she left things alone, but she would die, then it is a different situation. She can live by sacrificing the child, is it still her choice? What if the child dragged her in front of the vehicle to begin with and the mom can only save herself by causing the child's death where the child is otherwise probably going to live? What if the child is probably going to die no matter what, but the mother can save herself by sacrificing the child? I do not have an answer, but I am not certain that it is the mother's choice, even in a life threatening situation. I think that it may depend in part ont he childs liklihood of survival.
I struggle withthe concept of killing rape babies as well. If a bad guy pushes you in front of a car, and you can save yourself only by pulling his baby daughter in front of the car to dies in your place, is it justified to do so?
A mecidal opinion of the child's liklyhood of survival does not seem like a good answer to the issue either. My wife was pregnant and, based on some tests, we were told that our baby had a major birth defect. They said that it likley had no real brain and at best would only survive a few minutes after birth. They gave us all kinds of counseling about donating organs or having an abortion and donating the fetus for study, etc etc. Ultimatley it turned out that she was carrying twins. However they were on top of each other and not visible to the ultrasound and their hearbeats were in synch so they did not know. They were perfrectly normal heathy twins, nothing wrong withthem at all. The twins, now 16 are wonderful people, probably better than either of us are. Had we listened to the suggestions of some of our doctors, we may have aborted the twins. That would be a loss to the world.
I have a question that's a little off topic. Do any of you know how many women in America die during child birth? Most of the posters seem to dismiss the mothers health very easily. Do you know the statistics?
Thanks Dahlila. I started searching for the information as well and found similar numbers. I wish the people who are so passionate about the unborn were as passionate about providing all women with much needed prenatal care. Or fought just as hard to lower the infant mortality rate.
Thanks Dahlila. I started searching for the information as well and found similar numbers. I wish the people who are so passionate about the unborn were as passionate about providing all women with much needed prenatal care. Or fought just as hard to lower the infant mortality rate.
I have a question that's a little off topic. Do any of you know how many women in America die during child birth? Most of the posters seem to dismiss the mothers health very easily. Do you know the statistics?
Absolutely, and it's ubsurd based on all of our technology, but just that is mainly the problem, medical intervention.
Women and babies in many third world countries die less often than in this country.
Women who birth alone or with a midwife have the best outcomes (and their babies). I hope to be a midwife someday and help those who understand/want to understand the way God designed childbirth.
Most women and babies are dying because of intervention, not a lack of it.
If you want to learn something about birth in this country, watch the movie "The Business of Being Born", it is just that, a "business".
I also don't need to know statistics (although I do know), read the verse I posted below, God protects those who trust and obey Him.
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