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Old 09-08-2008, 11:48 AM
 
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Which leads one to ask...are we one nation UNDER GOD?? If we are not, as a nation, following the principles in the bible then how can we profess to be under God?
You can't.
Every Christian denomination sees God differently so the saying 1 nation under God is just empty words.
Simply because a nation is only an abstract concept, you cannot touch a nation.
In the same way that we cannot touch God because God like a nation is only an abstract notion.
For a nation to exist it needs citizens who believe that they are a nation, the same way that God can only exist when there are followers who believe in God.

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The bible seems clear as to the viability and life of an unborn child...no argument about when a life begins in the bible. The bible is clear on it's stance on murder/taking another life.
The thing is that the Bible is useless if it is not being read.
So the Bible needs readers, like a nation needs citizens and God needs believers.
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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The bible seems clear as to the viability and life of an unborn child...no argument about when a life begins in the bible. The bible is clear on it's stance on murder/taking another life. So however we may justify our actions to relieve guilt, if we claim to follow what is written in the bible, we can't fool ourselves.
I agree completely.

The Bible is God's Word, and He is very clear on this topic

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Old 09-08-2008, 12:18 PM
 
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Every Christian denomination sees God differently so the saying 1 nation under God is just empty words.
I agree
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The thing is that the Bible is useless if it is not being read.
I agree

Getting back to the OP...according to the christian bible abortion is a sin. If someone made this mistake they can be forgiven by God.
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:33 PM
 
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I agree

Getting back to the OP...according to the christian bible abortion is a sin. If someone made this mistake they can be forgiven by God.
But we shouldn't make mistakes knowing that we will be forgiven for them, correct?

I believe that abortion is murder of an innocent life. In my opinion it is a sin, but no more of a sin than premarital sex or cheating on a test. There is nothing that rates the sins from least to greatest, so all sins are equal.

Also, I am friends with people who had abortions and I do not look down on them for it. It is their decision, we all make our own decisions, we have free will, it is not my business to point out other's shortcomings, but I myself would know I was sinning if I were to go in for an abortion!
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:40 PM
 
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Originally Posted by beeveenh You can't.
Every Christian denomination sees God differently so the saying 1 nation under God is just empty words.
Simply because a nation is only an abstract concept, you cannot touch a nation.
In the same way that we cannot touch God because God like a nation is only an abstract notion.
For a nation to exist it needs citizens who believe that they are a nation, the same way that God can only exist when there are followers who believe in God.

The thing is that the Bible is useless if it is not being read.
So the Bible needs readers, like a nation needs citizens and God needs believers.
Uhhhhhh....no. The denominations pretty much have overall accurate description of who God is. Jehovah Witnesses and Mormanism are cults.

He is the Creator of all things, alpha, omega; beginning, end. God of Isaac, David and Abraham. What is so different here?
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Old 09-08-2008, 02:09 PM
 
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But we shouldn't make mistakes knowing that we will be forgiven for them, correct?

I believe that abortion is murder of an innocent life. In my opinion it is a sin, but no more of a sin than premarital sex or cheating on a test. There is nothing that rates the sins from least to greatest, so all sins are equal.

Also, I am friends with people who had abortions and I do not look down on them for it. It is their decision, we all make our own decisions, we have free will, it is not my business to point out other's shortcomings, but I myself would know I was sinning if I were to go in for an abortion!
Absolutely correct!!! We shouldn't make mistakes knowing that we will be forgiven for them. I TOTALLY agree. Hebrews 10:26 "If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,"

Humans may be able to hide their thoughts, feelings, and intentions from other humans, but not from God. So it's not for me to worry about what other people are concealing. As my mother used to say, "It'll all come out in the wash".
Sometimes people make mistakes before they have a clear understanding on the matter. I guess it's about teaching people BEFORE They make such mistakes.
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Old 09-08-2008, 02:16 PM
 
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Uhhhhhh....no. The denominations pretty much have overall accurate description of who God is. Jehovah Witnesses and Mormanism are cults.

He is the Creator of all things, alpha, omega; beginning, end. God of Isaac, David and Abraham. What is so different here?

PUH-LEASSEEEE!! Maybe in another thread you can explain how they are any more of a cult than any other religion.

Who was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and David?? I think the bible is pretty clear on who God is and what his qualities and requirements are.
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Old 09-08-2008, 02:46 PM
 
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Uhhhhhh....no. The denominations pretty much have overall accurate description of who God is. Jehovah Witnesses and Mormanism are cults.
Why is it that folks throwing stones, so often live in glass houses?




btw, I am neither JW, nor Mormon. I know folks who are members of each of those groups. I know Roman Catholics too.

I believe that God is bigger than any box that anyone wants to stuff Him into.
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Old 09-08-2008, 03:15 PM
 
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Why is it that folks throwing stones, so often live in glass houses?




btw, I am neither JW, nor Mormon. I know folks who are members of each of those groups. I know Roman Catholics too.

I believe that God is bigger than any box that anyone wants to stuff Him into.
Ooooooh yes......"God is bigger than any box" nonsense. Thankyou Oprah Winfrey and Eckhart Tolle.

You see when Jesus said, "Before Abraham, I am, which means I am god, you are god, we are all god" We shouldn't listen to fundalmentalist Christians by saying, Jesus is God because we shouldn't read into something just because it says, what it means. How arrogant of us to think that

Because if we understand the bible and God like that, then that is putting Jesus/ God in a box......LOL. Sorry I added that last part after the quotes.
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Old 09-08-2008, 03:52 PM
 
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Ooooooh yes......"God is bigger than any box" nonsense. Thankyou Oprah Winfrey and Eckhart Tolle.

You see when Jesus said, "Before Abraham, I am, which means I am god, you are god, we are all god" ...

Jesus said: "Before Abraham, I am, which means I am god, you are god, we are all god"

I guess that I should look at that again.

"I am god, you are god, we are all god" Wow!

Well I know that God says that Jesus is my brother.

And promises that I will do things greater than Jesus did.

But "I am god, you are god, we are all god" Wow!



I am not familiar with Oprah Winfrey and Eckhart Tolle's teachings, I did not know that they taught a theology.
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