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Your right meerkat that was my mistake I was reading so many, sorry I love North Carolina.
Funny I always thought calling someone stupid was rude but I forgive you. So if I didn't agree with you, would you still have apologized for calling me stupid???
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Originally Posted by Marianinark
I'm sorry ILNC, but we have been over this verse before. You have taken it out of context. Jesus was speaking only to the early disciples, and the promise that He gave was fulfilled when the inspired writers completed the writings that we call the Bible.
You can dispute this as often as you wish, but it will not change the truth of that matter.
Yes Marian we have been over this before and I know neither one of us will change our mind on this but you're right disputing it will not change the truth. So let's just focus on what we do agree on, Jesus is our Savior.
No I haven't had any conversations about Judas. I do believe Judas could have repented and been forgiven, but he didn't.
But that fact just can't be ignored. We have no reason to believe that Judas never had faith. Also, no were do we read that Jesus deliberately chose any disiciple who didn't believed in him to have hell his eternal outcome. Another example from the OT is King Solomon. We know for a fact that he began his reign as a believer. We have no evidence that he died as one. When compared to Samson (who believed, rejected, then returned to faith at the end), no such written account is made of Solomon. Jesus' prodical son parable is based on that pattern like that of Samson.... a son who forsakes his father then comes back. To be called a "son" by God requires faith. It is very possible to reject your faith, only some like Samson return (the prodical son) others do not like Solomon and Judas.
That is why Peter writes about falling away from your secure position, he must have had Judas in mind when he writes:
2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position
Paul also talks about falling away from faith. A person can not fall away if he had not had it, can he? Can you be from someplace if you were never there?
Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
Funny I always thought calling someone stupid was rude but I forgive you. So if I didn't agree with you, would you still have apologized for calling me stupid???
Yes Marian we have been over this before and I know neither one of us will change our mind on this but you're right disputing it will not change the truth. So let's just focus on what we do agree on, Jesus is our Savior.
Hopefully our understanding of it will have no reflection on our salvation.
I do not agree that the word believe describes a single action. The word believe implies doing all that we have been told to do.
You can believe that all you want, but you are wrong. The grammar states that specifically. (Unless God's a liar.)
"What must I do to be saved?"
Acts 16:31 gives the answer: "Believe [aorist; single action; once] on the Lord Jesus and you will be [indicative; it will happen] saved."
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Originally Posted by freedom
Luk 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Luk 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
So, how do you explain the "contradiction"?
One says believe once and you are saved, the other says be faithful continuously and you will be saved.
Why do you equate one with the other?
(To clarify: there are no contradictions. But, you can't simply ignore one part and accept the other and get a complete picture.)
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Originally Posted by freedom
Even the devils believe.
Oh, I didn't know that salvation was open to the devils. Where is that passage that says it is?
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but I forgive you. So if I didn't agree with you, would you still have apologized for calling me stupid???
