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A "true chriatian" will have a problem with divorce, and sex before marriage....
The Bible references several verses relating to this....as well as life and murder.
To be pro choice is the same as to say you are pro murder. Yet Jesus tells us no murder will enter the Kingdom of God. If you repent of your sin and God knows that you are truly are sorry, then He will forgive you. Yet you cannot be pro choice, and be a christian at the same time. And if you say you are a christian yet support abortion you are only fooling yourself and not God.
pro choice is not the same as pro murder......
pro abortion is the same as murder
pro choice is leaving the decision up to the woman and her GOD.... its between the two of them. ...
I am a Christain. I do not feel it is right to take away that choice of a woman... Abortion is wrong and those who have one are commiting murder..
but so it the person drinking alcohol....they are commiting slow suicide.
and those who " sleep around" catching all sorts of diseasess no one has a name for yet... slow suicide....yet it is there choice....
Abortion is wrong....but I darn well have the right to make choices over my own body. Nobody will tell me what to do with my body.
you are creating a catch 22....anyone believing in pro choice promotes murder, that simply is not the case.
And just because you see it that way does not mean it right or wrong.
but dont go aroung judging those who believe in the womans right to choose assuming they dont have a 100% relationship with God and Love from their SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST......
pro choice is leaving the decision up to the woman and her GOD.... its between the two of them. ...
I am a Christain. I do not feel it is right to take away that choice of a woman... Abortion is wrong and those who have one are commiting murder..
but so it the person drinking alcohol....they are commiting slow suicide.
and those who " sleep around" catching all sorts of diseasess no one has a name for yet... slow suicide....yet it is there choice....
Abortion is wrong....but I darn well have the right to make choices over my own body. Nobody will tell me what to do with my body.
you are creating a catch 22....anyone believing in pro choice promotes murder, that simply is not the case.
And just because you see it that way does not mean it right or wrong.
but dont go aroung judging those who believe in the womans right to choose assuming they dont have a 100% relationship with God and Love from their SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST......
The problem is, God does not give a woman the right to kill her child. And those who support her in doing so are equally guilty of murder in the eyes of God. So it is not just between her and God. And it is the Bible that adresses abortion not I. So please, don't claim it is me. And I am not judging anyone, God has already shown us in the Old Testament that abortion is wrong. I just believe what God has already stated. It appers to me, your more worried about your rights, then the life of one of Gods children. If it were not for legal pro choice, there would be many more children in this world, and please, don't tell me how these children would all be better off dead.
Christians should only be referred to as "pro-life". No woman should have the right to choose to kill her unborn child. It's not between her and God. It's simply up to GODalone, period. He is the one who determines if a human shall live or die, and no person has that right. Despite what anyone thinks, when a woman is pregnant it is NO LONGER her body that is at stake here. First of all, the Bible states that your body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit. It also states you were bought with a price and are to honor God with your body. (How does killing an unborn child honor God simply so you can retain your so-called "right" to choose what to do with your body?) Furthermore, if you're married, your body is no longer your own, but also your husband's.
No true Christian could ever possibly think they have the right to do what they want with an unborn child.
I think many so called Christians are not going to a gospel church or are being encouraged to work on being more Christ-like. We will never be perfect but we should be heading the right direction. We know what is right and wrong in God's eyes but our flesh is weak. We need to repent and then spend time in the Bible trying to see God's plan for us. It is a process that goes on our whole lives.
The verses that talk about when we sin, grace abounds. Paul's answer to that is that we certainly don't sin so that grace abounds. He says, may that never be. There are natural consequences and we pay for those sins through our lives and through separating ourselves from fellowship with God until we repent.
We need to ask the Holy Spirit to guide and teach us and continue to pray and ask God for His guidance. We need to spend time in the Word.
I think many so called Christians are not going to a gospel church or are being encouraged to work on being more Christ-like. We will never be perfect but we should be heading the right direction. We know what is right and wrong in God's eyes but our flesh is weak. We need to repent and then spend time in the Bible trying to see God's plan for us. It is a process that goes on our whole lives.
The verses that talk about when we sin, grace abounds. Paul's answer to that is that we certainly don't sin so that grace abounds. He says, may that never be. There are natural consequences and we pay for those sins through our lives and through separating ourselves from fellowship with God until we repent.
We need to ask the Holy Spirit to guide and teach us and continue to pray and ask God for His guidance. We need to spend time in the Word.
Jesus taught that we not only could be perfect, but that we are commanded to be perfect, there are so many teachings in the scriptures about perfection.
25 to 1 in comparison to salvation.
Here are a few to ponder.
1Cr 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
2Cr 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is [one] of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Hbr 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Hbr 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Hbr 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Hbr 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Jam 1:4 But let patience have [her] perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
Jam 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jam 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same [is] a perfect man, [and] able also to bridle the whole body.
1Jo 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
In 1 Thessolonians 5:22 it says: abstain from ALL appearances of evil!!
everybody aint going to heaven, and i think that includes alot of "church" people
Everyone has to work out there own salvation. so HE is still working on me,
I am not where i need to be, but Thank God i am not where i use to be.
AMEN>)))>
I am a fisher of men!! Thats what i am!!!
Ah, but even heathen June knows that there are "true Christians" who live a genuinelly good, decent, Christian life (divorced, pregnant/unwed or otherwise) in the real world today. Even June knows a "good Christian person" when she encounters one.
June wonders why that is...
Take gentle contemporary care.
Fair Heathen Maiden... would you be so kind as to indulge a fellow heathen believer as to your definition of a true Christian?
Nobody seems to frown over divorce in the Christian religion. It seems to be accecptabe to be a Christian and live together without being married. Seems you can call yourself a Christian and be an unwed mother. My question is, can you be Christian and pro-choice too? How clearly are these lines drawn?
It seems that there are many people who are christian in name, or who act like being a christian is "after-life" insurance but who don't actually live to Christian standards. People whose deeds don't match up with their faith.
Being a christian and pro-choice? that seems like slaving for two masters. Like trying to be godly yet stroking the ego of the world.
(i dont know how to quote 2 people..this is for aquila and campbell..)
I had much thought after my post.....I asked my husband if at all it was possible to be anti-abortion and pro choice....
you have very, very good points on my body not being mine, and so I do believe.
as I stated before...I am not arguing if it is/isnot wrong for abortion to be done...
I had already adressed this see post # 12.....No I would never think any child is better off dead.....
but does not the bible also speak of letting the heathens 'give in to their sin'
-and b4 you start...no I am not saying ...aw go ahead an kill your child...
my whole pov is this:
abortion is murder
but I dont want the government telling me what to/not do with my body.
I dont like the gov having that control....so I guess it more of that issue than
the right of an unborn child......YES every child has a right to be born not killed....
I dunno..I guess I have 'control' issues....
does not everyone make their own choices....murder is murder...yet its always a choice first....
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