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Old 09-01-2008, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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So, you are saying that G-d created ONLY the Garden? As in, everything else was created by someone else? Who created Hell then?
For this sphere of existence, it is His perfect creation... and His creations are endless...yes!

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The Garden is not the limit of Creation
Did not say it was, we were given the ability to create as well, in order that we might learn good from evil
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-- and just because there were no corporations there does not mean that the forces that bring them into being are not divine in origin.
Do you have an example of any of the disciples or apostles or prophets or Jesus creating a corporation?

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And besides, how do you know what was and what was not in the Garden? Scholars and mystics have agonized for thousands of years over what exactly was or was not in the Garden. How do you presume to know the answer? Isn't that (gasp!) pride?
I saw it being created, and watched the fall.

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Anyway, this is even besides the point -- to suggest that Creation was only the Garden, and the continents and the oceans are all man-made, is bewildering, to say the least.
God made the land and the seas, did not say He didn't.

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I'm afraid my reading of the Bible is slightly different from yours. It seems quite clear to me that G-d created everything (including Hell). What you are doing is ascribing divine powers to Man (and anti-God, the Devil), which essentially makes your faith polytheistic.
God created everything, except the things He didn't. Again man was given the power to create and destroy. Have we been paying attention to the action of man?

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As to the pursuit of "mammon" -- I don't know if G-d is just a bearded old man sitting on a cloud and frowning on some scantily clad "sinners" enjoying a Cosmo on a Friday night, but somehow I doubt it. And if G-d is anything like I imagine him/them/it to be, then merely being poor and denying yourself joy will not get you on his/their/its good side. Asceticism, too, is a pursuit of mammon, though not necessarily a tangible one. Think about that.
Who said that the lack of material goods was not Joy. Jesus was the most Joyful person to ever walk the earth and he had no place to lay His head, nor any material possessions but the clothes on His back. He didn't even carry money.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 09-02-2008, 12:21 AM
 
Location: hopefully NYC one day :D
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The spirit of (Christian forum), the focus of the population, the direction it has taken, the overall culture.

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freedom
Huh? I don't quite understand.
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Old 09-02-2008, 07:21 AM
 
Location: hopefully NYC one day :D
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Do you have an example of any of the disciples or apostles or prophets or Jesus creating a corporation?
That doesn't mean corporations are bad. God did not say "Thou shall not have corporations."
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THe financial and trading hub of the world.
What's wrong with that?
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Old 09-02-2008, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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That doesn't mean corporations are bad. God did not say "Thou shall not have corporations."

What's wrong with that?
I'm just pointing out the defining characteristics of the city called Babylon, in the scriptures and how NY fits the description.

I'm not saying whether corporations are good or bad, i'm sure there are examples of both.

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freedom
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Old 09-02-2008, 10:32 AM
 
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Here's an interesting report.

Newsmax.com – HIV Spreading in NYC at Triple National Rate (http://www.newsmax.com/us/hiv_new_york_aids/2008/08/31/126613.html - broken link)

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 09-02-2008, 11:35 AM
 
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Here's an interesting report.

Newsmax.com – HIV Spreading in NYC at Triple National Rate (http://www.newsmax.com/us/hiv_new_york_aids/2008/08/31/126613.html - broken link)

godspeed,

freedom
Luke 5:31
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Old 09-02-2008, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Luke 5:31
Interesting verse? Do you think it fits for NY?

I imagine that there are more that have heard the gospel than not.

Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 09-02-2008, 02:45 PM
 
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Interesting verse? Do you think it fits for NY?
I think it fits as well as any verse you've quoted.

Is it our Nineveh?

What happened there?
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Old 09-02-2008, 04:08 PM
 
Location: hopefully NYC one day :D
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Jesus was the most Joyful person to ever walk the earth and he had no place to lay His head, nor any material possessions but the clothes on His back. He didn't even carry money.

godspeed,

freedom
Do you have a place to sleep, material possessions, and money? I bet so. How do you know all of that stuff anyway?


The main question I want you to answer directly is "is it ok to like New York City?"
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Old 09-02-2008, 04:49 PM
 
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City_boi, why do you care what Freedom, or anyone else on here for that matter thinks about NYC?

I think you are a big boy who can decide for himself
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