Who Has Got the Possibility of Entering Heaven? (rituals, sinned, Kingdom)

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by DayoftheLord

Moderator cut:

I have just a few words to say:

NO ONE CAN KNOW FOR CERTAIN WHETHER THEY ARE GOING TO HEAVEN UNTIL THEY DIE.

There, I said it.

So, everybody better start acting right!!!! You need to be found "spotless and blameless" according to God's Word.

I could not disagree more DotL.

A person who has put their faith in Christ can have 100% assurance what waits beyond death for them.

Christ is willing and able to carry us to Him in paradise.

I use to think it was absurd to think one could no without the shadow of a doubt where you'd spend eternity. Then I 'really' got it. And now I know for certain. You can too, ya know?

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by skbs

The answer would be if God is in your heart... if you have lived a Christian life...even if you have not realized it... you are saved...

I don't understand this answer.

If I've heard the Gospel then the only way I would not know if I lived the Christian life is if I would have rejected the calling of the Lord by the Holy Spirit.

How do you define 'if God is in your heart'?

[Ilene Wright]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

I could not disagree more DotL.

A person who has put their faith in Christ can have 100% assurance what waits beyond death for them.

Christ is willing and able to carry us to Him in paradise.

I use to think it was absurd to think one could no without the shadow of a doubt where you'd spend eternity. Then I 'really' got it. And now I know for certain. You can too, ya know?

I guess I need to point out when I'm being facecious. I was trying to remove the focus from something else by faceciously restarting the controversy of the thread.

Let me just clarify that we can know....and I most certainly do KNOW that I am going to heaven.

[skbs]

If I've heard the Gospel then the only way I would not know if I lived the Christian life is if I would have rejected the calling of the Lord by the Holy Spirit.

Ok, it is getting late, and I am getting a tad slow...lol.. was I confused by what you were asking me?

The Lord would be in your heart, your conscience would guide you... if it did not... if you rejected the calling of the Lord, especially after hearing the Gospel... then no, you would not be saved... you would be rejecting the Lord... that would not be what I was explaining.

Unless I am misunderstanding... agian... it is getting late...LOL

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by DayoftheLord

I guess I need to point out when I'm being facecious. I was trying to remove the focus from something else by faceciously restarting the controversy of the thread.

Let me just clarify that we can know....and I most certainly do KNOW that I am going to heaven.

I'm sure glad you cleared that up!!! I thought going to Heaven is something you do KNOW

[MICoastieMom]

[quote=Neil Turan;5123456]In Christianity, Anno 2008, there are about 204 christian denominations, who call themselves Churches or Christians, for example, the Roman Catholic Church.

In Christianity there are 8 Big Groups:

1. Anabaptism, for example Amish
2. Anglicanism, for example American Anglican Church
3. Assyrian, for example the Assyrian Church of the East,
4. Catholicism, for example the Roman Catholic Church
5. Eastern Orthodox, for example the Russian Orthodox Church
6. Oriental Orthodox, for example my church, the Syriac Catholic Church of Antioch
7. Protestantism, for example Reformed
8. Restorationism, for example Jehova´s Witnesses

I think, and I think I am Right, that only the churches of Group 4 (Catholicism), Group 5 (Eastern Orthodox) and Group 6 (Oriental Orthodox) do have a proper use of the Seven Sacraments in their Church, with other sayings, I Mean, If a Church doesn´t have 7 sacraments, then with that church you cannot enter heaven, and I do belief so that only Catholic and Orthodox People (Group 4, 5, 6) can enter Heaven, based on the Seven Sacraments. quote]

May I clear up some confusion. I do not know what you mean by Anglicanism, the correct term is the Anglican Communion of which the ECUSA is a part. The offical church is not known as Anglican in the United States, going back to just after the Revolutionary War.

Secondly, if I am reading your post correctly, it is your belief that the Episcopal church does not have seven sacrements; that is erroneous. The seven sacraments are baptism, eucharist, confirmation, ordination, holy matrimony, reconciliaton of the pentitent, and unction.

[aquila]

Originally Posted by skbs

What are you talking about? This is about who will get to heaven... What does RCIA have to do with going to heaven? Would you please take a minute and read the actual posts so I don't have to repeat myself?

Let's try this again....

You're the one that mentioned the Eucharist and religious education in post #110. For non-Catholic adults, the religious education is RCIA classes.

You likewise mentioned in post #118 that it's crazy talk and insanity for Catholics and Orthodox to think they are the only ones who will make it to Heaven, but in fact at one time that IS what both churches believed. Even today the traditionalist Catholics do NOT believe non-Catholics will go to Heaven unless they become Catholic. And some non-ecumenical Orthodox think both the Catholics and Protestants are heretics, and therefore cannot be saved outside the Orthodox Church.

Plus, the Cathechism states "through no fault of their own". Does that not imply that if you know of the Catholic Church and do not accept it, that you cannot be saved? I may be wrong on that one, but I read somewhere (I'd have to dig and dig to locate the link) that the Catholic church believes (or maybe USED to believe) that if you are aware of the Catholic teachings, but don't accept them, you cannot be saved.

[Miss Blue]

I am going to heaven because I believe John 3:16..

[firstborn888]

Jesus did not come to secure our entrance into a magical fairytale land called 'heaven'. He came to open our spiritual eyes so that we could see the kingdom of 'heaven'.

He did not come to found the religion of Christianity (!!!).

Jesus founded a church without walls, without ethnic or religious boundaries and without hate or oppression. He spoke of no system of hierarchy. He set no follower above another, but contrarily said "the greatest among you will be a servant". He taught (just as the prophets before him) to stop oppression, to feed the hungry, to reach out to widows and orphans, to be peacemakers - not warmongers, to treat everyone the way you yourself want to be treated. He did not commission the writing of any epistles and did not foretell the compilation of any special book to come.

His harsh words were reserved for hypocritical religious leaders, not the alcoholics, prostitutes and tax collectors He called 'friends'.

Men have sought to twist His message of universal peace and love and build a program of hate and even 'eternal' torment. When they imprisoned and killed people like me they actually thought they were doing God an honorable service. Now when some call me a 'devil' they think the same.

My heart breaks for those who are trapped in this religious lie of separation (from God) and doctrine of pay-back justice instead of the forgiveness we are here to receive and give - freely.

Jesus (Hebrew: Joshua) literally means "The Eternal One makes free".

May our Creator give us eyes to see and ears to hear".

[Deb in VA]

firstborn, was Jesus beaten and tortured and hung on a cross to die?