Who Has Got the Possibility of Entering Heaven? (blood, baptized, history)

[Betsey Lane]

Originally Posted by Neil Turan

If it is true Alpha, Than I think you cannot make it to heaven.
Do you want go to heaven, than I should think you should listen to me, My Church is an Orthodox church, an as you have read one of the OP´s, it states that I believe that only Orthodox and Catholic people can make it to heaven (not included the exceptions that exists, but that is up to God I suppose) Im talking about what I think, and this is merely what I think (miracles/exceptions excluded okay, so I wont have to mention this ok)

Again: My church has seven sacraments, because Christ established the sacraments himself, do you believe this? You deny the word in the Bible, that is God´s word, because all of the seven sacraments, are primarly based on the Holy Scripture, do you want to know How, I can teach you? Than you can get the baptism in my church, and the chrismation, and then you should do penance and eat every year (and drink) the Eucharisti, these are the 4 of the 7 sacraments, necassery for salvation, and of course, first of all you must be Catholic or Orthodox, right?

Now? Do you want to know/find out more, I can teach you, dont listen to that false prophetical people and your church is false, because it doesnt have seven sacraments!!! All the exceptions excluded inclusieve things i cannot explain right now to you, or to difficult to explain right now to you, right!

Everythging I think and Sorry.

God does not dwell in confusion. Matthew Chapt. 15 Vers. 8-9 states:

8. 'These people draw near to Me
with their mouth,
and honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9. And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the
commandments of men.''


Tradition will not get you into heaven. Some think you can be "witnessed' in, some believe they can be "good" enough to get in, some even believe that He's already here and therefore they're "already" in. Why do we make it so difficult when Christ Himself says it's free and simple? This gift of salvation? Salvation belongs to the Lord!

I Peter Chapter 1 Vers. 3-9 reads:

A Heavenly Inheritance

3. Blessed be the God and Father of our
Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His
abundant mercy has begotten us again to
a living hope through the resurrection of
Jesus Christ from the dead,
4. to an inheritance incorruptible and
undefiled and that does not fade away,
reserved in heaven for you.
5. who are kept by the power of God
through faith for salvation ready to be re-
vealed in the last time.
6. In this you greatly rejoice, though
now for a little while, if need be, you have
been grieved by various trials,
7. that the genuineness of your faith, being
much more precious than gold that
perishes, though it is tested by fire, may
be found to praise, honor, and glory at
the revelation of Jesus Christ,
8. whom having not seen you love.
Though now you do not see Him, yet be-
lieving, you rejoice with joy inexpressible
and full of glory,
9. receiving the end of your faith-the
salvation of your souls.


It's pure and simple. Believe in your hearts and confess with your mouth that Jesus has come in the flesh and He is Lord of all. There's only one way and one way only. Do not be deceived. Peace and God's grace to you. Be encouraged on this journey of life.


Your sister in Christ Jesus

[cg81]

Originally Posted by Neil Turan

What church are you?

The Church that existed before any of the ones you mention... the Church of the New Testament.

[Neil Turan]

The teaching of the Coptic Orthodox Church about the Seven Sacraments, it is an Oriental Orthodox, I think the teaching is nearly the same as my church, also an Oriental Orthodox Church, my church is the Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch. Thats why I can also use it.

This is the book. Everything I think and I am sorry.

[Neil Turan]

The Seven Sacraments of the Church

Coptic Orthodox Church in the Netherlands. Mosstrat 2, 1032 JW Amsterdam Count. : 020-6321805. Fax: 020-672568

Title: The seven sacraments of the Church. Writer: Aartspriester Morcos Dawoud. Translation: Ms. Mardo Yousef, Ms. N. Ramzy – Saleh Gurgis. Correction: Clara to Hacken. Design: Diaken: Atef Beshay. Publisher: Foundation Coptic Orthodox Church in the Netherlands. Edition: October 1999

Pope Shenouda III Pope of Alexandrie And the 117e successor of the Saint Marcus the Evangelist.

[Neil Turan]

Contents statement
Chapter I
Introduction till the ecclesiastic sacraments
Chapter II
The sacrament of the baptism
Chapter III
The sacrament of the Chrismation
Chapter IV
The sacrament of confession
Chapter V
The sacrament of the Eucharist
Chapter VI
The ill person administration of the last Sacraments (the Anointing of the Sick)
Chapter VII
The sacrament of the marriage
Chapter VIII
The wijdingssacrament (the Sacrament of the Holy Orders)

[Neil Turan]

Furrow word
Through means of the seven sacraments, we can grace and blessing of the Holy Spirit receive. For from the day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit over the pupils of Jesus Christ descended, is this Spirit lasting present in the Church as our Gentlemen Jesus Christ have promised: `Ik will ask will be the Father to give you someone else Helper, that for always with be with you´ (John 14:16). The Holy Spirit works through means of the sacraments. He serves Its gifts and Its blessing, He teaches and leads on the way of the truth: `Tget Helper, that the Fathers send will you in my name, its Holy Spirit, you will instruct further in everything: He will let understand said have you everything what I you´ (Joh. 14:26). Christ has named these sacraments, and is referred also in the Old Testament there to. Already in the first century of the christianity, the sacraments were served by the disciples and has taken over this the Church of them. The sacraments hit all phases and important moments in the life of the Christian: they bring arise the belief life of the Christian till and grant growth, cure and supply. Best reader, the book that you now in hands have is in the English language written through the very rev. aartspriester Morcos Dawoud. It has been translated to the Dutch through lady Mardo Yousef and lady Nawal Ramzy. Clara to Hacken has taken the correction work on her and saw to the diakens Atef Beshay and Nobility Selwanis for the design. We lay this work in the hands of the almighty God, that he it may bless till glory of Its Holy Nam and for the advancement of Its saint church; that it till blessing and until now will be for the members of the Church at the studying of the seven sacraments, through the prayers of the saint Virgin Maria and our saint father Pope Shenouda III of Alexandria, Patriarch of the Seat of Marcus.
Hugoumen Aboena Arsanios Yard Baramousy Coptic Orthodox Priest in Amsterdam November 1999

[Neil Turan]

Chapter I
Introduction till the sacraments of the church

Definition

A sacrament is a saint religious act, through which the religious an invisible blessing receives, in the form of an external sign, visible or audible. The sacraments its through our Jesus Christ self started. The Coptic Orthodox Church praised that the sacraments really beneficially are and that they the religious real invisible blessing bring.
St. Peter the apostle says in one of its letters: `.. That formerly disobedient been were, became when the forbearances Gods wait for remained,, while the arks in readiness brought became, in which little, that is eight souls, by the water away in the days of Noach reason. If of that you save depicted now the baptism` (1 Peter. 3:20,21)
St. John the Evangelist says the following over the Communion: ´Jesus then says till them: Indeed, indeed, I say you, unless you eat ht meat of the Son of the men and its blood drinks, have you no life in yourself. Who my meat eats and my blood drinks, eternal life has and I want to arouse him to young Sten day. For my meat is were food and my blood is were drink. Who my meat eats and my blood drinks, remains in Me and I in him. As the living Father healthily has me and I live through the Father, as also he that Me eat will, live through Me. This is the bread, that from the heaven has been come is; not equally the dads eaten have and died be; who this bread eats, will in aeon live´ (Joh. 6:53-59). The same counts for the other sacraments.
The number of ecclesiastic sacraments
There are seven saramenten: christening, confirmation, confession, Eucharist, ill person administration of the last Sacraments (anointing of the sick), marriage and the wijdingssacrament (holy orders)
The first four sacraments are necessary for each worshiper. Although the other three are not for each worshiper necessary, are really the marriage and the wijdingssacrament (holy orders) indispensable for the church. The first is important for the maintenance and growth of the mankind and the second for the practicing of different holy branches, that become not appeared performed can through.
The Coptic Orthodox Church has thus seven sacraments. The general definition of these ecclesiastic sacraments is on all seven of application. The Bible contain instructions regarding each of the seven sacraments. The writings of the Church Fathers in the earliest centuries make clear that there seven sacraments are. Some named one, two or three of the sacraments and others named again others, etc. The Church compares the seven sacraments with the seven pillars on which the Wisdom her house has built (Spr. 9:1). In the bible, the number expresses sift the notion of perfection.

[Neil Turan]

The celebration of the sacraments
By every sacrament, particular prayers hear to ask and to receive the blessing of the Holy Spirit.
Who may the sacraments administer?
A bishop can serve all sacraments, but are at least three bishops necessary there for the order of a bishop in the sacrament of the clergy. A priest can stands grant no clergyman, but can serve the other six sacraments. A diaken (deacon) can only the bishop or priests help by the administration of the Last Sacraments of the seven sacraments. Sacraments cannot be administered thus only by a priest or a bishop and through appeared or diakenen. (deacons)
The CopticOrthodox Church learns that the activities of the blessings that by the sacraments obtained become, not dependent are by the manner on which the priest or the bishop lives. This has been based on the next reasons:
The apostle Paul says that the essential blessing errand not of simply human effort depends, but completely of God: `Thats why, neither who plant, neither who waters, means something, but God, that the wadom gives´ (1 Turned. 3:7).
Although the the Lord baptized not and the baptizing left at the disciples, stands there really in the bible that He it was that baptized (You. 4:1,2). ´Our Lord is it, that with the Holy Spirit Baptisedt` (You. 1:33).
We can understand that on the same manner said can become, that it not the priest or the bishop is that the sacraments serves, but the Lord that in him, with him and through him works.`---want God am it, that round its pleasure as well the wanting as the working in you work´ (Failed. 2:13); ´Only as co-workers (God) we admonish Turned to not to receive you also the grace Gods in vain´ (2. 6:1) St. Paul says further: `...Want I have not more worked then they all, but I, but the grace Gods that with me is` (1 Turned. 15:10).
St. Paul says also: ´We are thus envoys of Christ, as if God through our mouth you admonished; in name of Christ ask we you: you let Turned with God reconcile` (2. 5:20)
When Korach, Dathan and Abiram against God and Mozes rebel scholar(s), their fire pans took and in that sacrificed incense, became they strand punished. But God gave this order: ´...En makes cover these (the fire pans) till thin flat, until a for the altar, for they brought they for the face of the Again, so that this sanctified is` (Num. 16:38)
Our Lord Jesus Christ wanted to be, to listen us the task to the lessons of our teachers, in such a way these bad. We must not follow however their bad example (Mt. 23:1-3)
St. John Chrysostom said: ´It can happen that the leaders badly are and the appeared law sheep. But the blessing do not hangs off of the way of life of the clergy. I say this because nobody must doubt the legality of the dedicated rides as he the life of the priest studies, because everything depends of the power of God. He state only guarantor for the blessing that the sacrament brings about. `

[AONE]

All your groups are the creation of Man. God does not create the limitations, man does. God does not discriminate, man does. If you wish to follow The Crist then a good understanding of Judaism would also be in order as he was a Jew. I think if you also trace the "Lost Years" you will find The Christ also studied the philosophies of the East. The Words were the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. it is in our daily existance, we can also choose to have the hell if we like. It wqill make no difference what building you go to or what splinter religion you follow, it will matter how you treat others, how you love and are loved, and the intent in your heart with which you approach the world and those in it. If you think you are safe because of an organization you belong to you will have a rude awakening. Your actions will follow you. In the East its Karma, the West the Reap what you Sow relates to the same thing. If you want heaven, make it here and treat all as they were the christ then you will find peace.

[Neil Turan]

And St. Athanasius the Apostolic said: ´The priest do not dedicates the water (for the christening), but perform only the trade that are necessarily for which he Gods bless v. He said also: `Als we baptize, affirm and forgiveness serve, is this everything only to thank at Christ that it brings about. ` And also: ´It makes not from or the sacraments from the hand of a law sheep or a not law sheep priest come, because the sacraments resemble seeds, that over the earth spread become by the farmer, and that the required harvest furnish or the hands of the farmer now clean or dirty are; and as the effect of the sacraments depends
of the way of life of the priest, follows from that that our of its will! `