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Old 05-28-2010, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Pike Road, Alabama
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you'd be surprised how much the bible and archeology agree with one another...
And you be surprised how much of it doesn't.
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Old 05-28-2010, 01:44 PM
 
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Oh, I'm one of those agnostics who believes the guy existed. What I DON'T believe is that he was anyone different than you or I. The miracles, wonders and fantastic legends attributed to him and about him is where I stop. Dude was probably nothing more than an itinerant preacher of the day (like so many others) walking about the country side preaching the end of the world and the kingdom of god coming to earth (as many Jews expected). That was NORMAL. All the other bells and whistles were later added to support the wild ideas of a few. His movement eventually fell into the hands of those in power and bingo...it went worldwide.
But, what of the story of the ancient family of Rome that allegedly invented the whole Christianity thing to control the populous and that Christ never existed( but, then there are many ancient secular texts that i've read that mention Him?)...why not give that creedence?...
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Old 05-28-2010, 01:45 PM
 
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H1254
בּרא
bârâ'
baw-raw'
A primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes): - choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).

you seem to be like other people, only giving half or part of a word meaning...in order to confuse...
I think a little perspective is needed here.

The early Israelites DID believe that ALL things, good and bad were authored by god. What they believed, however, was that "evil" was ordered for some good purpose. For example, we read that god sent an EVIL spirit to torment king Saul and that he consorted with a LYING spirit to deceive Ahab. Which Christian today would admit that god sends evil spirits and have conversations with lying spirits? In I Samuel 24, god even directly manipulates David to do something just to get at the Israelites who upset him for some unspecified reason.

Clearly, this kind of theology creates obvious problems and raises troubling questions so what does one do? Find a scapegoat to pin evil on. Enter the character known as Satan. Now god is taken off the hook, right? Well not so fast. You can't even get a straight answer from many Christians. Some will tell you that god "ALLOWS" Satan to do this and that (which still makes god the author or an accomplice) while others will tell you that Satan does his own thing. You can't get a straight story.

So, when we read the passage above, it reflects the Jewish theology of that time which states that evil and good comes from god, but the evil is to fulfill his [good] will. It is what it is and it states what it states.
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Old 05-28-2010, 01:45 PM
 
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Good for you! DOn't let 'em contaminate you.
I am mostly an outsider in that...i see religion being used for gain and nothing else nowadays...
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Old 05-28-2010, 01:46 PM
 
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But, what of the story of the ancient family of Rome that allegedly invented the whole Christianity thing to control the populous and that Christ never existed( but, then there are many ancient secular texts that i've read that mention Him?)...why not give that creedence?...
Huh??? Why would I want to give THAT credence?.
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Old 05-28-2010, 01:49 PM
 
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But it's also been proven that the mention was an interpolation added much later on.
No, He is actually mentioned in the oldest extant text to date that has been found in a slavic language...the text that was used to translate most of the others into other languages...i think if i remember correctly it was found in the library of some dead guy...but don't quote me on that...
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Old 05-28-2010, 01:51 PM
 
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I don't know many itinerant preachers that are known WORLDWIDE 2000 years later.
My thoughts exactly...
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Old 05-28-2010, 01:54 PM
 
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No, He is actually mentioned in the oldest extant text to date that has been found in a slavic language...the text that was used to translate most of the others into other languages...i think if i remember correctly it was found in the library of some dead guy...but don't quote me on that...
I want to quote you so can you find it for me?

It's just a little curious that Josephus goes on rambling about Herod, then drops this glowing mention of Jesus in and then continues on about Herod. It is also curious that the oft-quoted mention of Jesus that came down through Christendom was presented to the world by the notorious propagandist, Eusebius, Constantine's own minster of propaganda.
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Old 05-28-2010, 01:55 PM
 
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Have you checked out the guy named Muhammad 1,000 years later? Check out what he started.

The Jesus movement simply met the good fortune of having the eventual backing of an empire that went on to shape the empires (Spain, France, England) that went on conquer much of the rest of the world and push the Jesus religion on them. That's how you keep such an itinerant preacher relevant.
Do you know how Muhammed propegated his religion?...hired mercenaries to ride out to the countryside and demand tribute, death or worship Allah...Allah was a god of a tribe of Arabs in the Saudi Desert...these were poor peasants that had no money for tribute and did not want to die so what else were they to do?...
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Old 05-28-2010, 01:56 PM
 
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Correct. It sticks out like a big, fat sore thumb.
Like i said the oldest slavic copy does mention him...
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