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Old 05-28-2010, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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So, their misunderstanding makes God a evil person?
FYI...we were not discussing god, we were discussing christianity
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Canada
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H1254
בּרא
bârâ'
baw-raw'
A primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes): - choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).

you seem to be like other people, only giving half or part of a word meaning...in order to confuse...
as I said it means to cut down or cut out.

as long as you view God as creating both good and evil you do not see Him clearly

God is love

Love worketh no EVIL Ro.13:10

Love thinketh no EVIL 1Co.13:5

Jesus says


Matthew 7:16-18
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit,neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.


Now ask yourself is God a good tree?

Just how do you view God?

either make the tree good and its fruit good or make the tree evil and its fruit evil.
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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I've actually seen the things...with my own eyes and know the lies of those that are trying to dismantle Christianity...like i said, i am in no way a beginner at this...
Honestly Richard....people really don't have to try to dismantle Christianity....Christianity has done a fine job of doing it all on its own.
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:43 PM
 
Location: New York City
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you are not telling me anything i don't already know...I am a jew for pete's sake...
I have a sneaky feeling I am.
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:43 PM
 
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That was my point EXACTLY....to attribute all that insanity to a supposed loving god is just lunacy. It's a book written by a bunch of piggish men for their own benefit and to control those around them.

If there is a God/Creator/Higher Power....and that is a big "IF"....we don't know the first thing about this entity and while we may all speculate and give our thoughts and ideas about who or what we think this entity is....that's all it is....pure SPECULATION.
Christy,

I have been down that road and I do believe that the scribes and priest were taking what was revealed to them and using it as a tool to control the masses.

Lies mixed with truth is not a good mix ......

I do believe in GOD (who is the Creator/Higher Power) and he does reveal some of himself as HE chooses and to those that are open to receive it.
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Christy,

I have been down that road and I do believe that the scribes and priest were taking what was revealed to them and using it as a tool to control the masses.

Lies mixed with truth is not a good mix ......

I do believe in GOD (who is the Creator/Higher Power) and he does reveal some of himself as HE chooses and to those that are open to receive it.
Same here. Give an intelligent being some "higher" info and they run off and start killing people.
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:51 PM
 
Location: On a road heaven bound !
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That was my point EXACTLY....to attribute all that insanity to a supposed loving god is just lunacy. It's a book written by a bunch of piggish men for their own benefit and to control those around them.

If there is a God/Creator/Higher Power....and that is a big "IF"....we don't know the first thing about this entity and while we may all speculate and give our thoughts and ideas about who or what we think this entity is....that's all it is....pure SPECULATION.
Christygirl, what has happen to you ? This does not sound like you......
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:53 PM
 
Location: US
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Huh??? Why would I want to give THAT credence?.
it was rhetorical...
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Christy,

I have been down that road and I do believe that the scribes and priest were taking what was revealed to them and using it as a tool to control the masses.

Lies mixed with truth is not a good mix ......

I do believe in GOD (who is the Creator/Higher Power) and he does reveal some of himself as HE chooses and to those that are open to receive it.
I AGREE with you 100%....because no one really knows where the lies begin and end. Evidence points to it being more lies than not.

I am always open to any actual credible evidence there is....what I'm not open to any longer is speculation, fairy tales, myths, legends and blind slave faith.
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:55 PM
 
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This is what I have done. I have taken everything in, and digested what truths are there, throwing out the garbage designed to enslave mankind.

The beauty of Jesus and of His Father, is the fact of setting the people who believe in Him free. Free to love. Free to give. Free to worship. FREE to live. This is what our King gave to us! A Kingdom not made with hands to be taken away from us.

All the other religious garbage designed around this basic, simple concept, is only designed to enslave both the soul, and the body. The IS NOT what pure Christianity is.

I can see the beauty in other religions, in their purest forms. God the Father is at work everywhere, in everyone, so that none have an excuse. It is only when men tamper with it, for control over others, that it becomes corrupted.

So, Christygirl, I hope and pray you continue on your journey. Sometimes we, with God's help, must wipe the slate clean before we can be taught, like a child. Both ignorant, and pure. Once a person 'sees' this, then all there is, is love.

But when someone has something to 'gain', by giving you something, then corruption is all there is left. Both of the soul, and of the body. Jesus' Kingdom is not soome far away never never land. It is here, now. But it takes an absolute submission to that Authority, which was given TO Him, for us to understand the Word that has been given to us. How many Christians are real, and TRUE enemies of THIS world system? Then, all that is left is the fact they are in BED with them, and they are Jezebel the Harlot.

And even the Bible itself is muddled. The translations are slurred to benefit the gains of men who desire authority. Otherwise, those who submit to Jesus and His Kingship would make the stand against the rulers of this world(kosmos). Peacefully, yet not backing down turning the other cheek, thereby stripping them of their supposed authority over us.

Sadly, we are led to the slaughter, because we listen to those who say they have our best interests at heart, yet desire our goods and labors for their gain and profit. The devil's temptation to Jesus, is the same for ALL men. The same temptation to Abram, by the king of Sodom, is the same to all men. It is called control.

So please do not give up on Jesus, because He will not give up on you. The lies, lay with man, not with God our Father nor His Son.
HotinAZ ,

I have learned a lot and would like to thank you for telling me 2 years ago "do not throw out the baby with the bath water" it reinforced with me that what I was sensing that there was truth and lies mixed in all places I was looking and I was trying to discern truth from lies, good from evil. Hence me posting this thread, I was questioning all.

While there are some things I do not quite agree with you on -- Essentially I agree with you........
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