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Old 09-17-2008, 04:36 PM
 
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"Satan" is busy deceiving the world.

God gave a law to Moses - the 10 commandments.

Jesus said that until heaven and earth pass away not one jot or title will pass from the law. Matt 5:18 He came to fulfill the law not abolish it.

Jesus says that all the law and prophets hang on - Love God with all your heart and love your nighbour as yourself

Also John 14:14 if you love me keep my commandments



Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day Lord Lord have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils and in thy name done many wonderful works
23And then will I profess unto them __ I never knew you depart from me ye that work iniquity

The word here for iniquity is G458
ἀνομία
anomia
an-om-ee'-ah
From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: - iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

Paul comes prophecying in Christs name, casting out devils, and done lots of wonderful works but also introduces a Law of christ which is apart from the law in fact he says the law is abolished

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity even the law of commandments contained in ordinances for to make in himself of twain one __ new man so making peace

Jesus says that even if someone does miraculous things if they work iniquity (transgress the law) they are not his - he doesn't know them.
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Old 09-17-2008, 05:16 PM
 
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You are judging a man who lived 2000 years ago, brother. I would be very careful when treading that path. That would be like saying the past 2000 years of Church including Christianity was a LIE.
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Old 09-17-2008, 05:29 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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I am a sister

I am looking for Gods truth.

I am not judging him, I am asking questions about what he taught and does it line up with what God has commanded and what Jesus said.
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Old 09-17-2008, 06:07 PM
 
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Sorry sister.

I understand that, but has Paul ever said anything, or done anything that you felt was out of line with what Christ taught, or the Apostles other than Paul?
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Old 09-17-2008, 06:30 PM
 
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"Satan" is busy deceiving the world.

God gave a law to Moses - the 10 commandments.

Jesus said that until heaven and earth pass away not one jot or title will pass from the law. Matt 5:18 He came to fulfill the law not abolish it.

Jesus says that all the law and prophets hang on - Love God with all your heart and love your nighbour as yourself

Also John 14:14 if you love me keep my commandments



Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day Lord Lord have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils and in thy name done many wonderful works
23And then will I profess unto them __ I never knew you depart from me ye that work iniquity

The word here for iniquity is G458
ἀνομία
anomia
an-om-ee'-ah
From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: - iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

Paul comes prophecying in Christs name, casting out devils, and done lots of wonderful works but also introduces a Law of christ which is apart from the law in fact he says the law is abolished

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity even the law of commandments contained in ordinances for to make in himself of twain one __ new man so making peace

Jesus says that even if someone does miraculous things if they work iniquity (transgress the law) they are not his - he doesn't know them.
Hey sister

I do not believe Ephesians 2:15 is referring to the law of God or the law of Christ ("even" there is an added word). Key word there is ordinances, which had to do with the sacrifices and other rituals. Look up the verses with ordinances in them.

I only see "law of Christ" in one verse in the Bible, I believe it is referring to the two commandments that He gave that all the others hang on. If you keep the two, you are keeping the 10, this is my understanding.

Gal 6:2Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.


Rom 3:28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom 3:29[Is he] the God of the Jews only? [is he] not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom 3:30Seeing [it is] one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Rom 3:31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
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Old 09-17-2008, 07:28 PM
 
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I am a sister

I am looking for Gods truth.

I am not judging him, I am asking questions about what he taught and does it line up with what God has commanded and what Jesus said.
I would like to ask you one question.Do you ever wonder why Jesus when he sent out his 12 apostles he told them in Matthew 10 not to go to the Gentiles but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel?

John the Baptist,Jesus, and the 12 apostles preached about the Gospel of the Kingdom, the Gentiles were not included in that.

After the resurrection of Jesus Paul was taught personally by the risen Christ about the church/body of Christ.

By the way the Kingdom is a literal Kingdom.

Born again Jerry
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Old 09-17-2008, 07:32 PM
 
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"Satan" is busy deceiving the world.

God gave a law to Moses - the 10 commandments.

Jesus said that until heaven and earth pass away not one jot or title will pass from the law. Matt 5:18 He came to fulfill the law not abolish it.

Jesus says that all the law and prophets hang on - Love God with all your heart and love your nighbour as yourself

Also John 14:14 if you love me keep my commandments



Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day Lord Lord have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils and in thy name done many wonderful works
23And then will I profess unto them __ I never knew you depart from me ye that work iniquity

The word here for iniquity is G458
ἀνομία
anomia
an-om-ee'-ah
From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: - iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

Paul comes prophecying in Christs name, casting out devils, and done lots of wonderful works but also introduces a Law of christ which is apart from the law in fact he says the law is abolished

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity even the law of commandments contained in ordinances for to make in himself of twain one __ new man so making peace

Jesus says that even if someone does miraculous things if they work iniquity (transgress the law) they are not his - he doesn't know them.
I just had a thought or three to interject after reading your post. What about grace? God's grace is suffices when we fall short. HE is merciful. The Bible says HIS mercy is new every morning. Finally the law is for the lawless not the righteous. I am not suggesting that the righteous can live any kind of way or that they are some how exempt from judgement. "By their fruits you shall know them... "and by this all men shall know you belong to ME that you have love for one another..." I think love is greater than the law.
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Old 09-17-2008, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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"Satan" is busy deceiving the world.

God gave a law to Moses - the 10 commandments.

Jesus said that until heaven and earth pass away not one jot or title will pass from the law. Matt 5:18 He came to fulfill the law not abolish it.

Jesus says that all the law and prophets hang on - Love God with all your heart and love your nighbour as yourself

Also John 14:14 if you love me keep my commandments



Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day Lord Lord have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils and in thy name done many wonderful works
23And then will I profess unto them __ I never knew you depart from me ye that work iniquity

The word here for iniquity is G458
ἀνομία
anomia
an-om-ee'-ah
From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: - iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

Paul comes prophecying in Christs name, casting out devils, and done lots of wonderful works but also introduces a Law of christ which is apart from the law in fact he says the law is abolished

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity even the law of commandments contained in ordinances for to make in himself of twain one __ new man so making peace

Jesus says that even if someone does miraculous things if they work iniquity (transgress the law) they are not his - he doesn't know them.


Gal 6:1 ¶ Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.


Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.


Gal 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.


Gal 6:4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.


Gal 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.


Gal 6:6 ¶ Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.


Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 09-17-2008, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Out of Florida........
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Obey them all! Whether 2000 years ago or 2 day ago, He's the same God, TODAY, YESTERDAY and FOREVER!
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Old 09-17-2008, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Obey them all! Whether 2000 years ago or 2 day ago, He's the same God, TODAY, YESTERDAY and FOREVER!

I'm trying !!
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