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Old 09-18-2008, 06:54 AM
 
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Can someone please help me understand what these verses mean?
COL 4:5-6 (Multiple Translations)

KJV-Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

NASB-Conduct yourselves with wisdom toward outsiders, making the most of the opportunity. Let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person.

NIV-Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.

-->**AMP**-Behave yourselves wisely [living prudently and with discretion] in your relations with those of the outside world (the non-Christians), making the very most of the time and seizing (buying up) the opportunity. Let your speech at all times be gracious (pleasant and winsome), seasoned [as it were] with salt, [so that you may never be at a loss] to know how you ought to answer anyone [who puts a question to you].

Young's Literal-in wisdom walk ye toward those without, the time forestalling; your word always in grace -- with salt being seasoned -- to know how it behoveth you to answer each one.
What does it mean to be wise in your words to outsiders?

What does it mean to show grace when you speak to others?

What does it mean to let your discussions with 'outsiders' be seasoned with salt?

What do these verses mean to us, the Body of Christ?
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Old 09-18-2008, 07:41 AM
 
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What does it mean to be wise in your words to outsiders?

What does it mean to show grace when you speak to others?

What does it mean to let your discussions with 'outsiders' be seasoned with salt?

What do these verses mean to us, the Body of Christ?
"Truth in love" would be the standard answer here, but delivery takes on many - subtle - forms.

There will be differences among us as to the "directness" of our message - this is directly associated with how we see God (even to the believer, the image we hold of the Almighty has an effect on our lives, and dictates our message).

Simply put, when I see Him, His face has "YES" written all over it. I want people to see that God hasn't forgotten them. He doesn't want them to go and clean themselves off and then try to come to Him - He wants them just as they are. No distance is too far - no life too wasted - your sin wasn't even a speedbump at Calvary...

But I see some Christians throwing conditions around like it's a country club membership.
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Old 09-18-2008, 08:11 AM
 
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To be led by God in one's conversation, and to be firm in your understanding, holding fast to the truth that one understands at the time.

As well as directing one to go direct and ask, seek, knock to the one that has ALL truth.

godspeed,

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Old 09-18-2008, 08:12 AM
 
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What does it mean to be wise in your words to outsiders?

What does it mean to show grace when you speak to others?

What does it mean to let your discussions with 'outsiders' be seasoned with salt?

What do these verses mean to us, the Body of Christ?
What these verses have often meant to me is that time is very important.. we need to make sure our lives are pure so that our witness will speak of Christ.

The focus is on me, not on those around me. Maybe this sounds backwards, but in this I mean that I need to constantly be in tune with God's will for my life. Only then will I be able to "walk in wisdom (the wisdom of God)" and be full of God's grace, speaking not of myself but of the Holy Spirit.

I can tell it in my life when I'm not this way.. when I allow pride, casualness, or other sin to creep in. I soon find myself speaking "from myself"... the living inspiration of the Holy Spirit is quieted. I've wasted ALOT of time in my life by living for myself, and not giving up everything for God's use. Let's let Him have His way with us!
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Old 09-18-2008, 08:14 AM
 
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Can someone please help me understand what these verses mean?
COL 4:5-6 (Multiple Translations)

KJV-Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

NASB-Conduct yourselves with wisdom toward outsiders, making the most of the opportunity. Let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person.

NIV-Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.

-->**AMP**-Behave yourselves wisely [living prudently and with discretion] in your relations with those of the outside world (the non-Christians), making the very most of the time and seizing (buying up) the opportunity. Let your speech at all times be gracious (pleasant and winsome), seasoned [as it were] with salt, [so that you may never be at a loss] to know how you ought to answer anyone [who puts a question to you].

Young's Literal-in wisdom walk ye toward those without, the time forestalling; your word always in grace -- with salt being seasoned -- to know how it behoveth you to answer each one.
What does it mean to be wise in your words to outsiders?
To me it means to remember that we once were blind as well. To remember from where God has brought us from and that we too may have rejected His call at first, maybe even many times. Remembering how we thought prior to coming to the knowledge of Christ, will help us to be wise in the words we use when we speak to 'outsiders' (non-believers).

I also interpret this to mean that we need to see where they are and bring the word of God alive to them in a manner that they can understand. This may be through the use of practical applications or even comparison to something they would understand. Much like how Jesus used parables. We too need to at times be creative in how we deliver the truth of God's word.

If we can get the 'outsider' (unbeliever) to first understand the message, see how it applies, we stand a greater chance of witnessing to them and being used by God to help them come to a place of accepting Him.

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What does it mean to show grace when you speak to others?
To me it means that we are not to stand in judgment of others. Bring upon condemnation. That we are to remember that we are no better than they are and it is only by God's grace and mercy that we are where we are in life. That it is only Christ in us that is any good. Yet, though we have Him in us and though we call ourselves Christians, we fall short every day and thus need His grace and mercy upon our lives. Therefore, we must remember that to whom much is given, much is required. God pours out His grace and mercy upon our lives that we may in turn pour out that same grace and mercy upon the lives of others.

Basically, it's the whole love your neighbor as yourself. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Forgive as you have been forgiven. If we desire God's grace and mercy in our lives, we need to know how to extend that to others.

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What does it mean to let your discussions with 'outsiders' be seasoned with salt?
To me it means that though we are to extend grace and mercy to others, although we are to speak truth to them in love, it is still truth that we need to speak. God calls us to be the salt of this world, a light unto His path. To me it means to recognize sin as being sin and not disregard it or ignore it. It means to be more like Christ. As God hates sin, He still nonetheless loves the sinner.

Our speech being seasoned with salt, at least to me, means that we don't condone sin. We don't merely say oh it's okay to live however you want. No. When salt is added to a dish, it changes it. Changes it's flavor. In the absence of salt a dish may be bland. In this case, salt being the truth of God's word, I believe it means that if we leave out that crucial ingredient, the need for a change may not be seen in the individual. However, while done in love and compassion, when that crucial ingredient is added, it may help expose an area of a person's life that they need to surrender to God and thus a transformation may begin. God can start working with the person once the person has acknowledge the need for God to do so.

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What do these verses mean to us, the Body of Christ?
I think it means that we need to remember that yes we are to go out and spread the word of God. We are to be lights in this world and the salt of the Earth. However, we need to remember that God is about love, grace, and mercy. We need to deliver Gods truth with love and compassion.

To me, I like to compare things sometimes to parenting. To an extent I see so much connection between parents and their children, and God with us (His children). We love our kids, yet we bring about correction when correction is needed. This correction, however, does not eliminate our love for them. In fact it is because we love them that we correct them. Similarly, this is how we need to see the world.

I remember in a parenting seminar I once heard about raising your children with an iron fist coated in an silk glove. This is about being strong, yet loving. Being firm, yet compassionate. To the Christian, it is about upholding God's truth, being loving and compassionate in how we go about doing it.


Great Scripture.
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Old 09-18-2008, 08:47 AM
 
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These were all great posts!

I think it is always a good idea to really spend time pondering scriptures like this and working to incorporate them into our lives. This one sounds so simple, but can be very difficult in the application. Maybe everyone else has an easier time than I do with really watching what comes out of their mouth and the motive behind it. I find it a daily challenge.
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Old 09-18-2008, 08:53 AM
 
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These were all great posts!

I think it is always a good idea to really spend time pondering scriptures like this and working to incorporate them into our lives. This one sounds so simple, but can be very difficult in the application. Maybe everyone else has an easier time than I do with really watching what comes out of their mouth and the motive behind it. I find it a daily challenge.
Just wanted to share that I am with you on that. It is a daily challenge. The bible tells us the tongue is the most unruly member of our body. We are wise to learn to control it but that process is not easy and doesn't often occur over night.

Our motives are another thing that we constantly have to be watchful of and we need to understand how deceptive they can be. We can convince ourselves very easily that our motives are just when in fact they are nothing but selfishness.

Paul understood these things very well. Scripture tells us we have to take up the cross daily, we have to die to our selfish desires daily, and we must confess our weakness to God daily that He may strengthen us and guide us.

I'm so with you on this and pray often that God would just help me better control my tongue. Teach me when to speak, when not to speak, what to say and what not to say. That He would be the one speaking through me.
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Old 09-18-2008, 09:02 AM
 
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What does it mean to be wise in your words to outsiders?

To me, this means we should speak the truth of the Word, not adding nor subtracting nor trying to put on new meaning to it. Simple Bible truth.

Yet, we should allow the Spirit to speak thru us so we do not turn someone away.

What does it mean to show grace when you speak to others

We are all sinners, every one of us. We should not condem someone for their sin or lack of belief, that is not our job. We should show the Love of Christ, or as I often say, allow the Light of Christ to shine from us. Jesus was Love, and we see each day how merciful He is in our own lives, how then could He not be merciful in others as well?

To me, this is a double edge sword, for if we do not show mercy, we are then haughty and prideful and boastful which is sinning ourselves. How can we expect Jesus to forgive us if we do not forgive others?

It's called being humble.

What does it mean to let your discussions with 'outsiders' be seasoned with salt?

Let the truth of the Word speak lest we mess things up. Truth never changes. I also believe that where we are in our walk with God has a great deal with how we speak and discuss the Word with others. Young believers are full of zest and can often use too much salt!

To me, seasoned with salt means we should be steadfast in our belief, not allowing anything to waiver our faith, and as we speak the Truth of the Word, then our message will not change thus showing to whomever we are talking with a steadfastness, a solidness, an anchor.....all of which we know as salvation, as Jesus is our Rock.

Today, many people are seeking some type of relief from the ever changing world we live in. They want something solid, to always be the same, so they can feel safe and secure....The only safe and secure option as we know is Jesus Christ--the same yesterday, today and tommorrow. Alpha and Omega.


What do these verses mean to us, the Body of Christ?

We are to stay in truth when discussing our Savior, to allow the Spirit to speak and act thru us instead of us trying to beat it into someones head.

We are to test our words against The Word for their truthfulness, and with our everyday actions, live by what we believe thus allowing others to see the Truth work in us as we go about our daily lives, letting our actions oftentimes speak instead of our mouth.

But when we do speak, speak from the Word lest we change it, and be steadfast in our belief, never making excuses, or deceiving not only ourselves but others with different behaviors and/or standards.

We are followers of Christ. In believing Him, we are mandated to spread the good news of Christ and His Love.
How can we do this if we do not even live the life we proclaim! Oh, I have been found to be a hypocrite by the Spirit, and have had to humble myself many times.

Let us not forget in our quest to bring others to Christ, to examine ourselves and rid ourselves of our impurities!
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Old 09-18-2008, 10:17 AM
 
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Can someone please help me understand what these verses mean?
COL 4:5-6 (Multiple Translations)

KJV-Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

NASB-Conduct yourselves with wisdom toward outsiders, making the most of the opportunity. Let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person.

NIV-Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.

-->**AMP**-Behave yourselves wisely [living prudently and with discretion] in your relations with those of the outside world (the non-Christians), making the very most of the time and seizing (buying up) the opportunity. Let your speech at all times be gracious (pleasant and winsome), seasoned [as it were] with salt, [so that you may never be at a loss] to know how you ought to answer anyone [who puts a question to you].

Young's Literal-in wisdom walk ye toward those without, the time forestalling; your word always in grace -- with salt being seasoned -- to know how it behoveth you to answer each one.
What does it mean to be wise in your words to outsiders?

What does it mean to show grace when you speak to others?

What does it mean to let your discussions with 'outsiders' be seasoned with salt?

What do these verses mean to us, the Body of Christ?
Be careful! It was translated from the original [scrolls/tablets/whatever] many times even by the group under King James.

And many more have given their input.

I'd go back as far as I could starting with King James and if you know the original language...go to that source.

Don't allow others to tell you what something means. Read it, ponder, and pray. The Lord will reveal things to you.
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Old 09-18-2008, 10:19 AM
 
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The Lord will reveal things to you.
Thanks!

What has He revealed to you regarding that passage?
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