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Old 09-28-2008, 04:23 AM
 
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E.I.T.A.I.A.S.

Why do we have to give Honor to the Holy Spirit and to the Father, because Only Jesus Came down from heaven, to rescue us, not the Father and the Holy Spirit, is this true?

Why?

Or why Not?
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Old 09-28-2008, 08:09 AM
 
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E.I.T.A.I.A.S.

Why do we have to give Honor to the Holy Spirit and to the Father, because Only Jesus Came down from heaven, to rescue us, not the Father and the Holy Spirit, is this true?

Why?

Or why Not?
We honor all three because they are all one in the same Being; yes, Jesus was the one who came down, but He came down because it was the will of the Father to sacrifice His Son (aka Himself) to take away the sins of the world. Jesus says multiple times that He won't do anything unless it is the will of the Father. We worship God because He decided that He wanted to save us all from sin and He chose to sacrifice His own Son and bear the evils of the world in order that we wouldn't have to. We honor the Spirit because it was the Spirit that aided Jesus throughout His ministry and gave Him the strength to carry out the Crucifixion. This isn't to mention that Jesus would later give the Spirit, "the Great Advocater" to mankind in order that we might use it to help live the holy and godly life that God expects from us all. It's some good stuff man.
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Old 09-28-2008, 08:54 AM
 
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Good post Nero777. I agree that the Godhead is all one but has three different functions. God the father is the head, the creator. Jesus was the son, the savior. The Holy Spirit is the comfortor and the teacher. They work as one.
Just like a man can be a father in his home, the provider and the husband.
I heard an example once that a young man comes before the judge for speeding. To be a just judge he fines the boy. But what if the judge is the boy's father? He can come down from the bench and pay the fine for the boy. He can be loving and just at the same time.
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Old 09-28-2008, 04:52 PM
 
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We honor all three because they are all one in the same Being; yes, Jesus was the one who came down, but He came down because it was the will of the Father to sacrifice His Son (aka Himself) to take away the sins of the world. Jesus says multiple times that He won't do anything unless it is the will of the Father. We worship God because He decided that He wanted to save us all from sin and He chose to sacrifice His own Son and bear the evils of the world in order that we wouldn't have to. We honor the Spirit because it was the Spirit that aided Jesus throughout His ministry and gave Him the strength to carry out the Crucifixion. This isn't to mention that Jesus would later give the Spirit, "the Great Advocater" to mankind in order that we might use it to help live the holy and godly life that God expects from us all. It's some good stuff man.
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Good post Nero777. I agree that the Godhead is all one but has three different functions. God the father is the head, the creator. Jesus was the son, the savior. The Holy Spirit is the comfortor and the teacher. They work as one.
Just like a man can be a father in his home, the provider and the husband.
I heard an example once that a young man comes before the judge for speeding. To be a just judge he fines the boy. But what if the judge is the boy's father? He can come down from the bench and pay the fine for the boy. He can be loving and just at the same time.
Agree with both of you.
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Old 09-29-2008, 07:38 AM
 
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Or if you don't think there are 3, then don't 'honour' them.

The Creator of the heavens and earth is one. He is the father of us all. He is holy, and He is spirit.

Jesus is His son.
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Old 07-09-2012, 05:48 AM
 
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No! The Father is Jehovah (Psalm 2:7), the Son is Jehovah (John 1:1, John 20:28, Revelation 2:23, Revelation 22:12-13, Isaiah 8:12-13 & 1 Peter 3:14-15), and the Holy Spirit is Jehovah (2 Cor 3:17-18 and Exodus 34:34; Acts 5:3-4). There is only one Jehovah (Deuteronomy 6:4). Yet they are three people. The reason is this: it is plain testimony that the Father loves the Son and Jesus loves His Father and prays to Him. How can a person pray to himself? Also, Jesus said in John 17 to the Father, asking Him to glorify Him (Jesus) with the glory that they share together before the creation of the world. It is plain that at least 2 persons were sharing glory before the foundation of the world. Also, Jesus said in John 8 that the testimony of two men is true. He bears witness about Himself; the Father that sent him bears witness also. In order for Jesus to use the law that "the testimony of 2 men is true," two people must exist-him and his Father. Jesus also said that He will ask the Father, and the Father will send you ANOTHER Helper, the Holy Spirit. Therefore, Jesus is not the same person as the Holy Ghost. Also, Jesus was once led by the Holy Spirit to the witness; and Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to His saints at Pentecost. A person cannot be led by himself and cannot send himself. And also, Romans 8 says that the Holy Spirit intercedes to the Father for us and the Father understands him. This is plain testimony that these are in fact the Holy Three who are in communion with each other, and yet they are One God.
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Old 07-09-2012, 08:22 AM
 
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Good post Nero777. I agree that the Godhead is all one but has three different functions. God the father is the head, the creator. Jesus was the son, the savior. The Holy Spirit is the comfortor and the teacher. They work as one.
Just like a man can be a father in his home, the provider and the husband.
I heard an example once that a young man comes before the judge for speeding. To be a just judge he fines the boy. But what if the judge is the boy's father? He can come down from the bench and pay the fine for the boy. He can be loving and just at the same time.
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One of the obvious flaws in the Trinity teaching, which developed in the second century and was necessary to explain how there could be two Gods, is that they must be co-equal (in all respects).

To be "coequal" no one person of the Trinty can have something or lack something that the other two exhibit.

This can shown not to be true.
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Old 07-09-2012, 08:43 AM
 
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I can't find "Holy Trinity" in my Bible.
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Old 07-09-2012, 08:45 AM
 
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I can't find "Holy Trinity" in my Bible.
"The Bible" isn't in the Bible either. That doesn't mean it's not the Bible.
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:09 AM
 
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"The Bible" is indeed in the Bible. Mostly translated as "the book", because that is all it means.
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