What About Hell? (Jehovah, women, Revelation, believe)

[cg81]

Originally Posted by Birdy_56

"And the leaves of the Tree of Life are for the healing of the nations. And there shall no longer be a curse upon anything."

Jesus broke the curse of sin that was placed upon man by man's fall. The leaves of the tree of life are for the healing of all nations.. there is enough for everyone. However, just like the example in the Old Testament where only those of the Israelites who looked to the brazen serpent were healed, so only those who partake of the leaves will be healed of sin. And this is our choice.

What a choice, isn't it? We'd love to think that we didn't have anything to do with it...

[Birdy_56]

Originally Posted by cg81

What a choice, isn't it? We'd love to think that we didn't have anything to do with it...

Dear Lord Jesus: please be advised that we chose You.

You did not choose Me, I chose.....

[Birdy_56]

Originally Posted by cg81

What a choice, isn't it? We'd love to think that we didn't have anything to do with it...

Arminian "grace!" How strange the sound,
Salvation hinged on me.
I once was lost then turned around,
Was blind then chose to see.
What "grace" is it that calls for choice,
Made from some good within:
That part that wills to heed God's voice,
Proved stronger than my sin.
Thru many ardent gospel pleas,
I sat with heart of stone.
But then some hidden good in me,
Propelled me toward my home.
When we've been there ten thousand years,
Because of what we've done,
We've no less days to sing our praise,
Then when we first begun.

Eph. 2: 4-10

Wm. Barclay New Testament

For it is to grace that you owe your salvation through faith. The whole process comes from nothing we have done or could do; it is God's gift. Any achievement of ours is ruled out to make it impossible for anyone to boast. It is He who made us what we are, for through Jesus Christ we have been created for that life of goodness which God already prepared for us to live.

Ferrar Fenton New Testament

You are saved by a gift...For you are saved by a gift through faith, and this is not from yourselves; the gift is from God; not from rituals, so that none can boast. For we are His creation, created in Christ Jesus...in which God has decided we should live.

Francis Weymouth New Testament

But God, being rich in mercy, because of the intense love which He bestowed upon us, caused us, dead though we were in our offences, to live with Christ--it is by grace that you have been saved...for it is by grace that you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves. It is God's gift, and is not on the ground of merit--so that it may be impossible for any one to boast. For we are God's own handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for good works which He has predestined us to practice.

J. B. Phillips

It is, remember, by grace and not by achievement that you are saved...it was nothing you could do or did achieve, it was God's gift to you. No one can pride himself upon earning the love of God. The fact is that what we are we owe to the hand of God upon us. We were born afresh in Christ....

[cg81]

Originally Posted by Birdy_56

Dear Lord Jesus: please be advised that we chose You.

Originally Posted by Birdy_56

Eph. 2: 4-10

Wm. Barclay New Testament



Ferrar Fenton New Testament



Francis Weymouth New Testament



J. B. Phillips

Absolutely. Jesus has done everything for us. All He asks is "Follow me."

Is that too much?

[Birdy_56]

"It follows then that just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which extends to the whole race, so also the result of a single decree of righteousness is a life-giving acquittal which extends to the whole race.

For as through the disobedience of the one individual the mass of mankind were constituted sinners, so also through the obedience of the One the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous.

Now Law was brought in later on, so that transgression might increase. But where sin increased, grace has overflowed;

in order that as sin has exercised kingly sway in inflicting death, so grace, too, may exercise kingly sway in bestowing a righteousness which results in the Life of the Ages through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Constituted sinners= made sinners

Constituted righteous= made righteous

[cg81]

Originally Posted by Birdy_56

"It follows then that just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which extends to the whole race, so also the result of a single decree of righteousness is a life-giving acquittal which extends to the whole race.

True, but we cannot use this scripture by itself (even tho UR promoters LOVE to do this!). It does not tell us the whole story.

It is true that Jesus' death was a once-for-all sacrifice for sins, but we cannot forget this:

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

This scripture tells the other part of the story. We will be judged according to that same one in the scripture you referenced: the one who offers healing to all... Jesus. And if we have not heeded the command to repent, we will be found unworthy to enter heaven.

We MUST tell the whole story!

[little elmer]

Originally Posted by cg81

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

This scripture tells the other part of the story. We will be judged according to that same one in the scripture you referenced: the one who offers healing to all... Jesus. And if we have not heeded the command to repent, we will be found unworthy to enter heaven.

We MUST tell the whole story!

This scripture does not repute the belief that God will refine those who haven't repented of unrighteousness; we read of fire, but all of us will face it.

[cg81]

Originally Posted by little elmer

This scripture does not repute the belief that God will refine those who haven't repented of unrighteousness; we read of fire, but all of us will face it.

I agree that God's refining fire can be in our lives, but can you show me a scripture that tells us we can be refined after death?

[little elmer]

Originally Posted by cg81

I agree that God's refining fire can be in our lives, but can you show me a scripture that tells us we can be refined after death?

Well, I'll meet you half way and say hell is temporary. It will give up its occupants - Rev. 20: 13, and it will be destroyed - I Cor. 15: 55; Rev. 20: 14.

The English word Hell occurs in the Bible fifty-five times, thirty-two in the Old Testament and twenty-three in the New Testament. The original terms translated Hell, Sheol-Hadees occur in the Old Testament sixty-four times and in the New Testament twenty-four times; Hadees eleven times, Gehenna twelve times and Tartarus once. In every instance the meaning is death, the grave or the consequences of sin in this life.

I'll conclude that refining will continue after death - because most that He bought are dying in their sin; but shall we drag out the scriptures again that declare His arm is not too short that it cannot save, His mercy endures forever, that He desires that all men come to repentance, that none can stay His hand (or ask, "What doest thou?"), that He will be ALL in ALL...

[cg81]

Originally Posted by little elmer

Well, I'll meet you half way and say hell is temporary.

But what happens to those who have lived in sin, go to hell, and then still refuse to repent?