What About Hell? (Gospels, church, sin, Christ)

[little elmer]

Originally Posted by cg81

But what happens to those who have lived in sin, go to hell, and then still refuse to repent?

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. (1 Pet 3:18-20)

Every knee...

[cg81]

Originally Posted by little elmer

Every knee...

You didn't answer my question!

What happens to those who have lived in sin, go to hell, and then still refuse to repent?

[little elmer]

Originally Posted by cg81

You didn't answer my question!

What happens to those who have lived in sin, go to hell, and then still refuse to repent?

Alright, alright...

No one can resist His will! (Rom 9:19)

[cg81]

Originally Posted by little elmer

Alright, alright...

No one can resist His will! (Rom 9:19)

But this brings me to the question.. why did they have to go thru hell?

Basically, what I'm saying is this: If God forces man to repent, and man's choice has nothing to do with it, why force man to go thru hell?

Don't you believe God is big enough to reach every person and reveal Himself to them in this life?

[Birdy_56]

Originally Posted by cg81

Don't you believe God is big enough to reach every person and reveal Himself to them in this life?

Sure our God is big enough, but He has ordained a first-fruits through whom He ultimately brings all creation to deliverance in the fullness of times, for the whole of created life (the ktisis) shall be delivered.

-John Gavazzoni-

True divine justice does not take an obstinate stance of condemnation until it gets its pound of flesh. True divine justice justifies the ungodly (Rom. 4:5). Why? Because at the heart of the message of the cross of Christ is the truth that God takes responsibility for the ungodly (Rom. 5:6). "God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself" (II Cor. 5:19). God in human form permitted us to murder Him to convince us that He is resolute and steadfast in His love for us. The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is the ultimate friend of sinners.

In the old covenant, we begin to see the meaning of the blood when Jehovah says to the Israelites, "I have given you the blood upon the altar" (Lev. 17:11). We need the blood, not God! The Lord spoke these words to me as He unfolded the meaning of reconciliation. he said, "I am not the god who demands blood. I am the God who gives blood" Oh, precious words.

[Fundamentalist]

Hell is real, it exist. Jesus talked about it more than He did heaven. God doesn't send us to will, in actuality we do.

[DTO Luv]

Originally Posted by Nero777

Where in the world are you getting the idea that He would punish small children? God isn't going to punish the youth of our world simply because they are too young to understand God and determine whether or not to devote their lives to Him. They weren't ever given the oppurtunity to hear and understand the Gospel and it would be rather difficult to love and know a God who would punish those who were unable to understand the Word and Him.
Yes, God remains just because He has to act as the universal judge for the evils of our world; He has to punish evil because it violates all that He had willed for us, eternal life, eternal love, and a relationship with Him that can't be tainted. To not take action against those who are evil is to not care about those who are working for Him and are working to love Him.

Question

God doesn't do anything bad to children? What about all of those times in the Old Testament when the Jews were told to kill their enemies EVEN the women and children? Give me a break.

Also if you believe that God won't send kids to hell only because they've never heard of him then I guess all of the tribes in the Rain forests and Africa and pretty much anyone in the whole history of the world who hasn't been evangelized to gets a free pass into heaven because they never heard of God/Jesus. How could they? It all started in the middle east and spread from there. People around the world would have had no idea.

I guess going out and witnessing is the worst thing you can do. Don't you realize you're sending all of these people to hell? If they had never heard about thim then they would have gotten into heaven on a technicallity. It looks like you christians should rethink things in light of this revelation.

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by DTO Luv

Question

God doesn't do anything bad to children? What about all of those times in the Old Testament when the Jews were told to kill their enemies EVEN the women and children? Give me a break.

The thinking is God DOES send children to hell but the question is, what's the age do we consider a child to be. Is it 12, 16, 19? As long as that "child" knows the difference between right and wrong they qualify for God's program of salvation

Also if you believe that God won't send kids to hell only because they've never heard of him then I guess all of the tribes in the Rain forests and Africa and pretty much anyone in the whole history of the world who hasn't been evangelized to gets a free pass into heaven because they never heard of God/Jesus. How could they? It all started in the middle east and spread from there. People around the world would have had no idea.

God has made it quite clear that He will judge an individual accordingly. People don't go hell because they never heard the gospel or rejected it. People go to hell because they broke God's laws (The Ten Commandments) You are under the impression that people are good and that's not true, God said, we are children of the devil, we are a child of wrath. Every person on this planet has broken ALL His laws (Stealing, murder- Jesus said, whoever hates his brother has committed murder- adultery- Jesus says, whoever looks at a woman and lust has committed adultery, coveting, lieing- God also knows your secret sins) None of us are good and we ALL deserve hell, that's why God sent His Son, Jesus to take the punishment that was meant for us. Jesus paid our fine

I guess going out and witnessing is the worst thing you can do. Don't you realize you're sending all of these people to hell? If they had never heard about thim then they would have gotten into heaven on a technicallity. It looks like you christians should rethink things in light of this revelation.

Dude that is very astute, you are absolutely right, that would be the worst thing we Christians could do if God allowed people into heaven because they never heard the gospel, then we shouldn't tell anybody the gospel so everybody gets to go to heaven therefore that's not true. But like I said before, we go to hell because we broke God's laws, God doesn't have to do us any favors, but he does, He shows His kindness and mercy by sending His Son Jesus to take our place. The bible says, it pleased God to pour His wrath on Jesus (a wrath that was meant for us) because Jesus sacrifice was the way for God to see all of us disgusting, wretched sinners as righteous, through the blood of Christ. That is why they call it the gospel "good news". Jesus made a way for you to be seen as pleasing to the Father.

[little elmer]

Originally Posted by cg81

But this brings me to the question.. why did they have to go thru hell?

Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. (1 Cor 3:13)

There is flesh in all of us - parts of us that are still operating in the soulish realm - and He has said it will not enter in.

Originally Posted by cg81

Basically, what I'm saying is this: If God forces man to repent, and man's choice has nothing to do with it, why force man to go thru hell?)

See above.

Originally Posted by cg81

Don't you believe God is big enough to reach every person and reveal Himself to them in this life?

As we all know, some know but don't obey - we must all be conformed either on this side, or else.

[ShanaBrown]

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Originally Posted by cg81
But this brings me to the question.. why did they have to go thru hell?

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Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. (1 Cor 3:13)
There is flesh in all of us - parts of us that are still operating in the soulish realm - and He has said it will not enter in.


Quote:
Originally Posted by cg81
Basically, what I'm saying is this: If God forces man to repent, and man's choice has nothing to do with it, why force man to go thru hell?)

See above.


Quote:
Originally Posted by cg81
Don't you believe God is big enough to reach every person and reveal Himself to them in this life?

As we all know, some know but don't obey - we must all be conformed either on this side, or else.

Good post. God bless.