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Old 07-22-2009, 11:17 AM
 
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The None elect will bow and confess before they are cast into the lake of fire..
EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW

Every knee bowing in the Name of Jesus (Phil 2:9; Is 45:23)
“in” is the literal Greek translation. See Young’s Literal Translation.

and every tongue acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord.
And we know that anyone who acclaims that Jesus Christ is Lord,
especially when it is to God's glory without any hypocrisy is saved for 1Corinthians 12:3 says so

Every Knee Shall Bow

Every knee shall bow -- forced or free will
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:18 AM
 
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Everything will be accomplished in GOD’S TIME, not ours. God’s purpose in this age is to bring a people to Himself (elect) in order to reach the non-elect in the ages to come. He is calling US in order to show forth His kindness to OTHERS in the ages to come. Once you see this truth, you will then understand why most people will never come to Christ in this age. This does not mean God has forsaken the many and given them up to suffer never-ending punishments. The mercy, love, and compassion of our God will never fail and the Good Shepherd will keep on seeking and saving until each and every last sheep (good and bad) is brought into the fold.
Amen. God bless.
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:19 AM
 
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Default only the elect are saved

Only the elect are saved, the sheep, but here is the destiny of the non elect, tares, goats and ect..

Matt 25:

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:24 AM
 
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Default And this reponds to beloved57's last post.

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SALVATION OUT OF THE LAKE OF FIRE WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH

EVERYONE WILL BE SAVED – SOME THROUGH THE FIRE – BUT ALL THROUGH THE BLOOD

Any hell that anyone will experience the Bible calls "kolasis aionian," which means age-during corrective chastisement.
Chapter Eleven

It is limited in duration, and corrective in purpose.
AIÓN -- AIÓNIOS
Matthew 25:46 - “Aionian” or “Eternal”

According to the Bible everyone will be saved - some through the fire, but all through the blood.
The Law of Circularity

We should desire to experience the lake of fire if God sees that is what we need. That's how much we can relax in the arms of God's love.

It is God’s decretive will (that which MUST occur) that everyone violates His preceptive will (that which they OUGHT to do) as much as they actually do because each person is being fitted into God’s master plan in a way that necessitates their own individual experience with sin, evil and suffering. Then when God consummates His plan for the ages of time He will eradicate sin and suffering from existence after everyone has learned all that God wants them to learn from its temporary existence.
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.

The process of salvation will be completed for the firstfruits of election, (the remnant chosen by grace), after the first resurrection. The process of salvation will be completed for the non-elect after the great white throne judgment. For some, it will include an experience in the lake of fire.

But everyone will be saved out of the lake of fire which is the second death.

You may ask, “What scriptural evidence is there of being saved out of the lake of fire which is the second death?"
There actually is much evidence.

Although the book of Revelation is the last book placed in the Bible, it is not the final revelation of what God is going to do with humanity. The apostle Paul saw way beyond John.

Col.1:25 of which I became a dispenser, in accord with the administration of God, which is granted to me for you, to complete the word of God.

There is much evidence that Paul did see way beyond John. For instance, in Revelation there are still kings reigning, and Christ is still reigning along with His followers. There are still sovereignties and powers in force throughout the book of revelation. So John did not see the day when all sovereignty, authority and power would be done away. Paul did. If you will look at 1Corinthians 15:24-28 Paul saw the day when all of these would be done away. He sees the day when "He should be nullifying all sovereignty, authority and power" (vs.24)

Paul sees the day when Christ will quit reigning (vs.25).

Paul sees the day when death (all death which includes the second death) will be abolished (vs.26). Please remember that death will be abolished **after** all the sovereignties, authorities and powers in Revelation have been nullified. Within the book of Revelation, death is still operational as are the afore mentioned powers.

So what is going to happen to all these people who are in death when death is abolished?

They will come forth vivified (made alive beyond the reach of death) (1Cor.15:22).

They will have their lives justified and will be constituted righteous:
Romans 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award for all mankind for life's justifying.
Romans 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just.

All will be reconciled to God (Col.1:20)

All will be headed up in Christ (Eph.1:10)

All will bow the knee in the name of Jesus and acclaim with their tongue that "Jesus Christ is Lord" to the glory of God, the Father (Phil.2:9-11).
And we know that anyone who acclaims that Jesus Christ is Lord, especially when it is to God's glory without any hypocrisy is saved for 1Corinthians 12:3 says so.

So there is proof that people will go to the second death **when ** the new earth comes. And there is proof that this is not the final goal God has for these people.

In summary then:
The lake of fire is the second death.
The apostle John did not see into the future as far as the apostle Paul.
How do I know this? and what ramifications does this have as to whether or not one gets out of the lake of fire...the second death? Plenty.
In the book of revelation Christ is still reigning; death is still operational; sovereignties, authorities and powers are still in force.
In 1Cor.15:22-28 Paul sees way beyond John's revelation.
He sees the day when Christ will quit reigning (1Cor.15:25).
He sees the day when all sovereignties, authorities and powers are nullified (1Cor.15:24).
He sees the day when death is abolished (1Cor.15:26) and all are then subjected to Christ then Christ is subjected to God and then God is All in all (1Cor.15:28).
So, yes, there is scripture which intimates that all in the lake of fire will come forth and God will be All in all.
Also in 1Cor.15:22 all are dying and in Christ shall all be vivified. So this happens after death for most.
Also in Romans 5:18,19 you have what happens to all mankind due to what Adam did which happens to the exact same all mankind due to what Christ did. But it does not happen to all at the exact same time.
Each in his own order.

The Lake of Fire

Reconciliation in the Heavens

Savior of the World Series

Where is a resurrection from the lake of fire which is the second death taught in the scriptures?

The lake of fire is distinctly defined as the second death Rev.20:14; 21:8. In it is cast all that is still at enmity with God. So that, death is indeed the last enemy (1 Cor.15:26).

And we are just as decidedly told that Christ is the one who abolishes death and brings life and incorruptibility to light (2 Tim.1:10). The reading "hath abolished" is not true as to fact or as to grammar. It is in the indefinite form (commonly called the aorist tense) simply recording the fact apart from time. Death has not been abolished yet.

How and when it will be abolished is told us in the fifteenth of first Corinthians. It is to be abolished by means of universal vivification (1 Cor.15:22). This takes place at the consummation (1 Cor.15:26).

It is useless to look for plain statements on this subject in parts of the Scriptures whose scope is limited to eonian truth, such as the Revelation. It is unwise to look for it anywhere but in the special portion which deals with this topic. Death and resurrection are exhaustively treated in the, fifteen chapter of first Corinthians and there it is we should look for clear statements as to the ultimate goal. There we are distinctly told that the last enemy that shall be abolished is death (which must refer to the lake of fire, for the first death cannot be the last enemy). And there we are told that it is to be done by a universal vivification rather than resurrection.

The term "resurrection" is applied to those who have afterward died again, such as those who suffer the second death. Hence there is not a resurrection, merely, from the lake of fire, but a vivification beyond which there can be no death.

What do you suppose the lake that burns with fire and brimstone will do? It will burn off of mankind the stubborn will which is contrary to the Lord’s will. It will take that which the Lord subjected man to, death, and will burn its bonds off. The flames of fire will lick the lashes of cords that have bound men in rebellion and will dispose of those cords as one would burn refuse in a hot scorching fire. It is the rebellious will, maintained by ignorance that is burned. The same standard of burning happens to the Overcomer. They are baptized in the very same fire. The fire that constitutes the lake that burns with fire and brimstone and the fire upon the brow of the Overcomer are the very same kind of fire. In both cases, whether it be the Overcomer or the unrepentant sinner, the cords of ignorance as to the will of the Lord are burned off. Such is the ordination in fire, no one will escape it who needs it.
And this reponds to beloved57's last post.
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:24 AM
 
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What does love mean to you?
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:31 AM
 
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Romans 14: 11for it hath been written, `I live! saith the Lord -- to Me bow shall every knee, and every tongue shall confess to God;'

bow=kampto-bowing of the knee especially in religious veneration, profound respect, reverence, awe

confess-exomologeo= to profess and acknowledge openly, to externalize what is inside oneself, to agree with God or with one's conscience, to celebrate, give praise as in Romans 14:11

W.E. Vines/Hebrew-Greek Key Word Study

God bless
You teach a lie.....shanabrown!
Yes, Some will bow their knee and give praise one day, yet some will not! For they did not accept the truth, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Romans 1:18-32

You twist the scripture to mean what you want it to say.....You deny Jesus Christ and His ultimate sacrifice on the cross for the sins of the world by stating all will one day reign with Him, regardless if they repent of their sin and receive salvation now....through Him or not!!!

Heb.3:7-19
7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
“ Today, if you will hear His voice,

8. Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9. Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10. Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.
11. So I swore in My wrath,‘ They shall not enter My rest.’”
12. Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;
13. but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,
15. while it is said:
“ Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”

16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses?
17. Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness?
18. And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?
19. So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:33 AM
 
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Default Satan’s salvation etcetera - maximum grace!!!

I think it may be time now for eternal tormentors on the forum to start tearing out their hair and ripping their clothes with righteous indignation and breathing out threats to us URs.

SATAN’S SALVATION ETCETERA - Grace super-exceeding!!!

THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – Dr. Loyal Hurley
The Outcome of Infinite Grace

It would have been easy for God to impress upon Satan that it would not temporarily be in his best interest to choose evil, but God didn’t do that because He had (has) an eonian plan to use the temporary existence of evil and suffering to teach lessons. Then at the consummation of God’s plan for the ages of time God will eradicate evil and suffering from existence.

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THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.

Since all of creation is in the Son of God’s love, through Whom God delights to reconcile all, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens, Col. 1:20, there is no more reason to suppose that Satan (and Judas and Hitler and Stalin) are not included therein than that any other creature is not included therein.

Therefore, it must be that that notable creature who had rightly long been termed “the Adversary,” is very much included in the reconciliation of the universe, at which time this title (“Adversary” or “Satan”) necessarily will no longer apply, since he will be reconciled and be at peace.

A time is coming when Satan himself, the instigator of human opposition and dissension will be beneath our feet. Rom. 16:20.
Now he dominates the actions of many a saint. But later his place and power will be taken from him and we will be above him, able to subdue and control the one who, next to our flesh, was the cause of most of our miseries.

Just as the enemies of Christ will figuratively find themselves a footstool for His feet, so will the greatest of all our enemies be placed beneath our power.

But best of all, we will not retaliate. We will not use our authority to further alienate and estrange Satan from God or from ourselves. We, to whom conciliation was first presented, will be conciliatory to all, and be able to bring back all our enemies into the circle of friendship and conciliation with God.

Doubtless due to Satan’s machinations, we cannot now even bring about peace among ourselves. But then all our own differences will have been dissolved, and we will be able to bring it to our erstwhile enemy in the spirit world, the Adversary himself.

Satan is an enemy of God, and must be included among the enemies reconciled to God by the blood of Christ's cross, one of those "in heaven." Since death is the last enemy, then Satan must be reconciled to God prior to the destruction of death, and the subsequent emptying of death, and the presentation of the whole reconciled universe to God, when God becomes All in all.

RECONCILIATION IN THE HEAVENS Reconciliation in the Heavens

C.S. Lewis wrote, “The greatest surprise for Satan will occur when he learns that he has been perfectly doing the will of God all along.”

Personally I think the greatest demonstration of God’s grace in action among the celestials will be when Satan bows in humble submission and love in front of His Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Any hell that anyone will experience the Bible calls "kolasis aionian," which means age-during corrective chastisement.
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tentmaker books chapter eleven
Chapter Eleven

It is limited in duration, and corrective in purpose.
AIÓN -- AIÓNIOS
and
Matthew 25:46 - “Aionian” or “Eternal”

I think that everyone who needs it will experience just the right amount of what the Bible calls "kolasis aionian" which means "age-during corrective chastisement."

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The Lake of Fire

NO ONE IS BEYOND THE REACH OF GOD'S GRACE WHICH IS ABLE AND DETERMINED TO SUCCESSFULLY INFLUENCE THE MOST STUBBORN OF WILLS AND SOONER OR LATER WILL NOT FAIL TO DO SO.

We universal reconciliationists believe that because of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and the power in the blood of His cross, God will eventually transform all suffering into something better that it happened for everyone, and when evil and suffering has served God’s eonian purpose, God will eradicate them both from existence.

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CHRIST TRIUMPHANT - Thomas Allin
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Christ Triumphant by Thomas Allin
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:38 AM
 
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Only the elect are saved, the sheep, but here is the destiny of the non elect, tares, goats and ect..

Matt 25:

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:38 AM
 
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You teach a lie.....shanabrown!
Yes, Some will bow their knee and give praise one day, yet some will not! For they did not accept the truth, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Romans 1:18-32
Yes, all will one day bow their knee in worship and confess/proclaim/give thanks to Him, Latte 'Chic, even if they do not now. There is a future time to come. God has declared this.

Romans 14: 11for it hath been written, `I live! saith the Lord -- to Me bow shall every knee, and every tongue shall confess to God;'

bow=kampto-bowing of the knee especially in religious veneration, profound respect, reverence, awe

confess-exomologeo= to profess and acknowledge openly, to externalize what is inside oneself, to agree with God or with one's conscience, to celebrate, give praise as in Romans 14:11

W.E. Vines/Hebrew-Greek Key Word Study

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You twist the scripture to mean what you want it to say.....You deny Jesus Christ and His ultimate sacrifice on the cross for the sins of the world by stating all will one day reign with Him, regardless if they repent of their sin and receive salvation now....through Him or not!!!
I have never said that all will reign with Him. Please show me where I have stated this. I have shared that it was God's good pleasure to reconcile all to Himself and God always accomplishes whatever He purposes to do. Death is not the end. The scriptures teach us that it is to one day be abolished, so death is no obstacle to God. He is the Savior of all men, especially of believers. God bless.
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:42 AM
 
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Yes, all will one day bow their knee in worship and confess/proclaim/give thanks to Him, Latte 'Chic, even if they do not now. There is a future time to come. God has declared this.

Romans 14: 11for it hath been written, `I live! saith the Lord -- to Me bow shall every knee, and every tongue shall confess to God;'

bow=kampto-bowing of the knee especially in religious veneration, profound respect, reverence, awe

confess-exomologeo= to profess and acknowledge openly, to externalize what is inside oneself, to agree with God or with one's conscience, to celebrate, give praise as in Romans 14:11

W.E. Vines/Hebrew-Greek Key Word Study



I have never said that all will reign with Him. Please show me where I have stated this. I have shared that it was God's good pleasure to reconcile all to Himself and God always accomplishes whatever He purposes to do. Death is not the end. The scriptures teach us that it is to one day be abolished, so death is no obstacle to God. He is the Savior of all men, especially of believers. God bless.
All the wicked will bow to the Sovereignty of Christ, right before they ear these words:

Matt 25:

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels
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