What About Hell? (preacher, priest, translate, creation)

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by ShanaBrown

If the penalty is eternal hell and Jesus paid the penalty, He would have gone to eternal hell, right? God bless.

No. Jesus did not go to “Hell” because “Hell” is a future realm, only put into effect after the Great White Throne Judgment and how would you figure that?

[ShanaBrown]

Hi Reformed Liberal,

Whether eternal hell is believed to be the future realm or not, Jesus paid the penalty for our sins and according to Romans 6:23, the wages of sin is death, not an eternal hell. Which scriptures teach that hell is eternal? God bless.

[Fundamentalist]

When Jesus cried upon the Cross, "Oh, Father, why have You forsaken Me?" it was then He was separated from the Father because of the sin poured out upon Him.

A Christian will never ever understand how Jesus felt when He cried out to the Father but people who are unbelievers will.

The death of Jesus on the Cross and His suffering in our place that sufficiently provided for our redemption. It was His shed blood that substantiated our own cleansing from sin

As He hung there on the Cross, He took the sin burden of the whole human race upon Himself. "He became sin for us

(2 Corinthians 5:21) states: "For He hath made Him to be sin for us Who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him."

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by ShanaBrown

Hi Reformed Liberal,

Whether eternal hell is believed to be the future realm or not, Jesus paid the penalty for our sins and according to Romans 6:23, the wages of sin is death, not an eternal hell. Which scriptures teach that hell is eternal? God bless.

When God told Adam, that he will surely die, are you saying that Adam is dead? or is he is heaven and if he is in heaven then "death" in that scripture you just quoted is not the "death" the bible is really talking about

[ShanaBrown]

I believe that Adam is dead, Reformed Liberal.

(2 Corinthians 5:21) states: "For He hath made Him to be sin for us Who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him."

Amen and

Colossians 1:15-20
15. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.16. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.17. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.18. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.19. For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,20. and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.


God bless.

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by ShanaBrown

Hi Reformed Liberal,

Whether eternal hell is believed to be the future realm or not, Jesus paid the penalty for our sins and according to Romans 6:23, the wages of sin is death, not an eternal hell. Which scriptures teach that hell is eternal? God bless.

If you offended me, your offense will stay with me till the day I die. What do you think if you offend an eternal, infinite God. How will that offense be paid against a eternal, infinite God? If our punishment is not eternal in hell, then our reward could not be eternal in heaven

The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as "everlasting fire" (Matthew 25:41), "unquenchable fire" (Matthew 3:12), "shame and everlasting contempt" (Daniel 12:2), a place where "their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:44-49), a place of "torments" and "flame" (Luke 16:23,24), "everlasting destruction" (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place of torment with "fire and brimstone" where "the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever"

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by ShanaBrown

I believe that Adam is dead, Reformed Liberal. God bless.

what does that mean, you said, hell is not eternal and that it was death, are you saying Adam is not in heaven?

I have no clue what that verse has to do with anything.

[ShanaBrown]

If you offended me, your offense will stay with me till the day I die. What do you think if you offend an eternal, infinite God. How will that offense be paid against a eternal, infinite God? If our punishment is not eternal in hell, then our reward could not be eternal in heaven

What I see in many scriptures is that God's plan is not to punish people in an eternal hell. He will have all to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth and Jesus paid the price for all of us. Many will experience hell and a second death but the conclusion will be the reconciliation of all to Him. This is His intention according to scriptures like Colossians 1:15-20.

The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as "everlasting fire" (Matthew 25:41), "unquenchable fire" (Matthew 3:12), "shame and everlasting contempt" (Daniel 12:2), a place where "their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:44-49), a place of "torments" and "flame" (Luke 16:23,24), "everlasting destruction" (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place of torment with "fire and brimstone" where "the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever"

The words which have been translated as eternal in some translations is aionios or eonian and refers to an age. An unquenchable fire is one that burned until its purpose was fulfilled.

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/Et...Explained.html

God bless.

[ShanaBrown]

what does that mean, you said, hell is not eternal and that it was death, are you saying Adam is not in heaven?

I have no clue what that verse has to do with anything.

I am not sure what you are asking Reformed Liberal. I believe that Adam died and is dead. Death is not an eternal state because Jesus overcame death when He rose from the grave. This is why it is described as sleeping. Death is temporary. If Jesus had not been raised from the dead we would all confined to eternal death, just like Paul speaks about in 1 Corinthians 15. I believe that we are face to face with the Lord when we are resurrected. Hope this clarifies what I was sharing. God bless.

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Colossians 1:20 " And by Him, God reconciled everything to Himself. He made peace with everything in Heaven and on the Earth by means of His blood on the cross".
Jesus death on the cross provided the way for all people to come to God. It cleared away the sin that keeps us from having a right relationship with God. This does not mean that everyone has been saved or will be saved, but that the way has been provided for anyone who will trust Jesus to be saved.